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vikdream 27th Feb 2015 15:39

Rank:FO
Current a/c type: A320
Years in service: 1
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): scheduled, UK
Base country:UK
Hours per month (average): 60
Monthly salary (before tax):£3800 (+flight pay, which can be in average +£600.
Monthly salary (after tax):£3100 (+flight pay)
Benefits: LOL, pension, private medical insurance, life insurance, medical and uniforms
Happy? For the time being, yes, although I would love to have a fixed roster or something similar.

nbairlines 27th Feb 2015 19:30

Rank:FO
Current a/c type:B737NG
Years in service:7
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!):Flag Carrier
Base country:Holland
Hours per month (average):65
Monthly salary (before tax): EUR 8500 (not dependent on hours flown
Monthly salary (after tax): EUR 4950
Additional payments: Per diems, refund of union-contribution,
Any benefits?: Good pension (56), Training, uniforms, drycleaning, transport allowance, insurances, additional savings scheme, etc
Happy (yes/no):yes

seasexsun 27th Feb 2015 23:40


Quote:
Because of its location it is valueless without context.


:confused:
Indeed... If you earn 8000€ at Doha or Dubai, you will not be any richer than somebody living in Alicante or Tenerife earning 3000 euros, i can guaranty.
As for lifestyle, depends what you prefer, sharia or democracy.

intheblue 28th Feb 2015 08:23

Rank:SFO
Current a/c type:A320
Years in service:3
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): pink LCC
Base country: Eastern Eu
Hours per month (average): 80
Monthly salary (before tax): €2800
Monthly salary (after tax): €2800 (service provider)
Additional payments: NO
Benefits: NO lol paid for myself
Happy? No - wrong place for money and lifestyle, right place for upgrade if you make it till then..

Flying Clog 5th Mar 2015 08:31

Rank: Senior FO

Current a/c type: Boeing 747-400/-8

Years in service: 10

Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Legacy

Base country: Hong Kong

Hours per month (average): 60

Monthly salary (before tax): 15,000 GBP

Monthly salary (after tax): 12,500 GBP

Additional payments: Salary includes housing allowance of 6,000 GBP per month

Any benefits?: Loss of licence, pension, life insurance, 13th month, per diems, etc

Happy (yes/no): Yes, dreadful management, but the money and time off makes up for that.

:ok:

Sam Ting Wong 5th Mar 2015 12:04

The problem with this kind of questionnaire is the misleading fact that it only shows the conditions of people employed, some of them for many years.

What you would get if you start now is probably worse, you can subtract about 5000 Sterling from the above number e.g.

Flying Clog 5th Mar 2015 12:43

STW - absolutely correct.

I wouldn't get out of bed for the t's and c's that my employer now offers to new joiners. Not for the :mad: we have to put up with from our 'caring' company. :yuk:

If I had it to do over again in the current climate I would find a far more lucrative/enjoyable profession and fly for fun on the side. :E

RRAAMJET 9th Mar 2015 04:13

Flying Clog, good post...I flew for that lot 2 decades ago, was a struggle then. Nothing has improved much....?

Now:
Capt
Legacy
$20k + month 73hrs
16% 401k
Blah blah

"Grass is greener" thread....might help those new to the industry, I suppose...

Chiquitete 9th Mar 2015 06:39

Rank:Capt
Current a/c type:320
Years in service:3
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!):crap
Base country:china
Hours per month (average):60 in 15 days,can be up to 80.
Monthly salary (before tax):13500usd
Monthly salary (after tax):13500 usd
Additional payments:ticket allowance 10 k,yearly bonus 15 k(after 3 years),safety bonus 10k,renewal bonus 25k,walkaround money circa 250 usd monthly.Chinese loss of licence,not bad for what you pay.
Any benefits?:spicy dried pig feet,sleeping fos,insane pollution
Happy (yes/no):yes

TDK mk2 12th Mar 2015 18:20

Rank: Capt.
Current a/c type: Regional jet
Years in service: 8
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Regional
Base country: UK
Hours per month (average): 50
Monthly salary (before tax): £5600
Monthly salary (after tax): £3100 (25% personal pension contribution)
Additional payments: Average circa £300 duty pay
Any benefits?: Private health
Happy (yes/no): Yes

RHSandLovingIt 12th Mar 2015 20:25

Time for some perspective from somewhere a bit closer to the bottom of the spectrum I think...

Rank: FO (technically SFO)
Current a/c type: C208B. That's right! 2 crew SE Turbine ops
Years in service: 8 months
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): The worlds "10th most dangerous" airline
Base country: Indo
Hours per month (average): 60ish... But could be anywhere from 30-100+
Monthly salary (before tax): USD$1285
Monthly salary (after tax): USD$1285
Additional payments: USD$2500 for initial training bond, USD$1500 for upgrade bo... Oh, wait. You meant payments to me, Didn't you? Ummm, USD$20/day if based in Papua (aka "danger money")
Any benefits?: Easy access to Dengue, Malaria and Hepatitis A thru F, low cost (and standard) of living, even easier access to easy girls, maids who do your laundry, clean your room and cook you dinner, being treated like a demigod by local population and apparently my family can fly for half price.
Happy (yes/no): Despite all the crap you have to put up with (mostly govt dept related), generally yes, but only because it's still fun!

Hope you all feel a little better about life now :ok:

EPST 14th Mar 2015 15:24

Rank: SFO
Current a/c type: A320
Years in service: 4,5
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): orange LCC
Base country: mainland europe
Hours per month (average): 80
Monthly salary (before tax):€7000
Monthly salary (after tax): €5700
Additional payments: 5% loyalty bonus and performance shares
Any benefits?: LoL, pension, sickpay, ULV in winter upon request and depending on availability, stafftravel, commute options.
Happy (yes/no): yes, I'm in Europe, I've a permanent contract, company is doing good, command is approaching and soon a transfer to my preferred base.

Papa_Golf 14th Mar 2015 20:38

Rank: FO
Current a/c type: B737NG
Years in service: 2
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): LCC, not the orange one
Base country: Europe
Hours per month (average): 75
Monthly salary (before tax): €5200
Monthly salary (after tax): €4000
Additional payments: pension
Any benefits?: LOL (not loss of licence)
Happy (yes/no): Yes, based in my hometown with a permanent contract.

carro 15th Mar 2015 10:24

Rank: Capt
Current a/c type: Dash 8
Years in service: 3
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Protecting the borders
Base country: Australia
Hours per month (average): 70-80
Monthly salary (before tax): A$12,000
Monthly salary (after tax): A$8,000
Any benefits?: Fun flying, occasionally. Naps.
Happy (yes/no): Yes, however to progress the career to jets anywhere is going to be a big pay cut! ;)

empati 18th Mar 2015 14:58

This is how it should be done:

Home | AirlinePilotCentral.com

:ok:

Jahfly 18th Mar 2015 23:04

Rank: Capt
Current a/c type:A-320
Years in service: 15
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Flag carrier
Base country: south europe
Hours per month (average): 60-80
Monthly salary (before tax):€ 12,000
Monthly salary (after tax): € 5,500
Any benefits?: Loss of licence, pension,13th month, per diems,medical insurance, life insurance, medical and uniforms
Happy (yes/no): Yes,home country,nice weather,great food,reasonable living cost,only knock off the excessive tax we pay.

cosmiccomet 19th Mar 2015 11:08

Rank: Capt
Current a/c type:A-320
Years in service: 4
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): LAN
Base country: South America
Hours per month (average): 50-60
Monthly salary (before tax):U$D 8,600 / 8,042 EUR
Monthly salary (after tax): U$D 5,750 / 5,377 EUR
Any benefits?: Loss of licence, pension,13th month, per diems,medical insurance, life insurance, medical and uniforms
Happy (yes/no): Yes,home country, the only problem is our government and our country is having a lot of security problems.

Yaw String 20th Mar 2015 13:53

Crunch the numbers with www.numbeo.com to calculate equivalency..

Bokkenrijder 20th Mar 2015 15:33


The problem with this kind of questionnaire is the misleading fact that it only shows the conditions of people employed, some of them for many years.

What you would get if you start now is probably worse, you can subtract about 5000 Sterling from the above number e.g.
Yes STW, and additionally I think it would be very useful to also include age and total number of years working as a pilot in the survey.

I can imagine that many young pilots in their 20's working for some p.o.s. P2T/P4F airline will still indicate that they're happy, but it does not accurately reflect the true state of the industry.

bringbackthe80s 20th Mar 2015 16:36

Maan this thread is actually working very good, let's leave it as it is.
It says years in service, enough.

Age/what you would get now etc are irrelevant, and what you'd get now is extremely changable with aviation cycles (pretty sure they weren't offering 250.000 dollars in China 15 years ago..).

Good (fixed) roster pattern possibly with no red eyes flying, lots of leave, as much NET money as possible, good base and aircraft is what counts. And we have all these info. All the rest is talk.


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