Sorry, running late...

Here's a go with Google translate, but read with caution, it is a bit of a wacky translation.


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nettavisen.no%2Fna24%2Fkan-ga-mot-fusjon-mellom-norwegian-og-ryanair%2F8551861.html&edit-text=

gpsavd thanks so much that is brilliant!!

Westforce Aviation
 

And who are they?

Westforce Aviation is a company set up by Norwegian.

A merger makes strategic sense but it is unlikely. Merging with Norwegian would give MOL access to 787s and options he covets for a longhaul operation that he could legally operate out of 20+ Euro bases to the States. More importantly, a merger would remove a growing competitor. Common Boeing fleet types would facilitate a merger - let BK keep the Airbus NEOs for his leasing company.

That said, I also agree with others that a merger is unlikely due to politics and a battle of wills/egos between MOL and BK...

Well,
Whatever happens I don't think I want o'leary to get control of my plastic plane.
That won't be an improvement I'm sure.

Crawling out from under the rocks
 

There seems to be no limit of airlines and pilots ready to fill in while the Norwegian pilots are fighting their battle. All kinds of shady airlines are already "stepping up to the plate" with pilots lacking all kinds principles.

At OSL airport spineless creatures in uniform are observed tip toeing from the terminal with overcoats to hide those uniforms. Pathetic! More worrying is the two more established airlines affiliated with both Star Alliance and Sky Team, CSA Czech Airlines og Aegean Airlines, that has joined the not so honorable activities.

Is it maybe time for the Czech Air Line Pilots Association and the Hellenic Air Line Pilots Association to wake up?

Like the front page of the Eastern Air Lines :mad: list once said: Its better to die while standing, than living on your knees!

Wow i find it amazing some of the aggression on display from a few individuals lurking around here. Mate, we are just making a living. We don't get to pick and choose what we want to do. We get told what to do and get paid for doing it. If you have a problem with some of the 3rd part operators then i suggest you get in touch with their Head Offices or go and give your own boss a smack instead of threatening individuals doing what they're paid to!

The spotters in Norway have been very active and have posted this list of airlines dba NAS over the past 10 days. Spotters tend to be more reliable in these matters than the parties involved, meaning more or less neutral.
I had no idea some of these airlines even existed.

- Avion Express
- Small Planet
- DAT
- Czech
- HiFly
- EuroAtlantic
- Jet2
- White
- Privilege Style
- Aegean
- Air Berlin
- Germania
- SmartLynx
- Titan
- SunAdria
- Go2Sky
- Moldovan Airlines
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Strike over
 

Agreement is in place and strike is over. Seems like a victory for the pilots.

What is it we used to harp (pun intended) on about in Ryanair Pilot Group & REPA before them UNITY UNITY UNITY ! ! ! absolutely vital result for all of us both within & outside the Norwegian company :D :ok: ;)

Norwegian strike over

So this "deal" is valid for 3 years?

Well done the NAS pilots and NPU.

Freightdog, you are an idiot. Those pilots you are attacking don't have the choice of flying those sectors - if they refuse, they face the sack. Why should they jeopardise their homes and families for someone else's benefit? If their companies were also represented by the NPU, then perhaps with a ballot they could refuse, collectively, but they're not and so any withdrawl of labour on their part would be illegal.

I'll bet that you, as one of the gobbiest, would be the first to betray any other pilot in need, just as you attack them on here. Don't alienate the rest of the community, because one day when they are in a position to back or help you, they will chose not to. Grow up and get a perspective on reality and stop thinking the entire industry is about you.

They caved in. Again. They took the 3 years.
In 3 years they will be gone, replaced by cheaper contract pilots from :mad: Egypt or similar. Guys that have no training, no experience, no other prospects, and will be happy to work for next to nothing because it is still more than anything they could hope for back home. No way any of us can compete with them.
BK will have 3 years to figure out a way to get rid of NPU completely (and it will be brutal, he´s got the past 11 days to avenge. He might even figure out a way to do it quicker than that).
The NPU guys have 3 years to look for another job. Contract job of course.
We were all cheering you on, NPU. Thanks for nothing.

Poll: Who´s got the bigger grin on his mug right now?
a) BK
b) MOL
c) the boys at OSM
d) 3 way tie

I won't say who will win or not but you can rest assured that NPU will be spending the next three years preparing for all out war.

But long term? Surely anyone with half a brain can see that this profession is dead and buried. We will be replaced by pay to fly Asians who do as they're told, follow SOP mechanically and report each other for poorly polished shoes.

5-10 years it will be utter crap. 20 years it will be unbearable. My quest to change careers has already started.

@freightdog


Still, the same "shady" companies were handy covering Norwegian flights earlier (during the screw-ups with the 787), keeping your company afloat, right?

Pilots lost! How did they bottle it again!

Union spin no after is a joke!!!

I always find it interesting to look at this forum and see the amount of uninformed opinion on this forum.

Any one who thinks that one side in a strike wins is deluding themselfs, there are only losers in a strike, the company loose money, the strikers loose money, the customers loose faith in the company and think twice about using it in the future.

So in short it is not about winning it is about who looses the least. And having been involved in more airline strikes that most on this forum I know it is those with the least involvement who make the most noise.

There have been a number of references to some in the group who have been working during the strike, those people are employed in the UK and are subject to the UK employment law, under this law strikes have to be properly constituted by balot. If this is not done the the strikers can end up on the wrong side of the law and a spell in prison is the ultimate sanction. The Norwegian unions understand that these strike conditions not having been made that those employed on UK contracts should not go on strike and made this clear.

It is only when the dust settles will it become clear who has lost the least, but for those who think that the union lost the dispute I should take time to rethink the issue, after all if you were in the management position you now know that the union can hold solid and will have learnt that with a bit more planning time they can stop the whole operation.

While all above in this post is fact I will offer one bit of personal opinion and that is the strike shows the pilots can stick together and in the next round of negotiations the management will have this in the back of there minds. The chances are that this fact alone will make another strike less likely.

Equally Norwegian will now make sure that this "current group" will become an insignificant minority if their expansion plans materializes. So any effect of a future strike will have minor effect!

I'll offer a repeat of my earlier prediction.

All the pilots in the entire Norwegian network will spend the coming three years getting organised with the expressed goal of being able to act as one if need be.

This battle in an ongoing war offered valuable practice for NPU, as well as proof that you can make a difference by staying united.

How it all goes remains to be seen but I would be weary of making definite statements.

And yes, long-term it's all going t-ts up. The definition of madness would be to start a pilot career this week. But why walk quietly into the night here and now? Make the suits work for it, every single cut-back.