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DADDY-OH! 14th Dec 2015 18:44

Ivan Aroma
 
Your post was spot on.:D

From the B757 fleet, some Senior F/O's (mainly ex-DHL) are indeed leaving to go to BA,EK, EY & QR but these are all under 40 years of age & you'll always get that as some people, quite right,ly want to progress to 'National' carriers.
I haven't heard of any going to VAA... yet.

Some are also going to TCX & TOM because these offer Southern UK bases, in-place Scheduling (Rostering) Agreements, Short/Long Haul mix, fairer T&C's in terms of pension contributions, Day Off payments, basic salary & FDA & a major player which is discounted Staff Travel.

I don't know if it's as dire as 6 FO's left at MAN but the remaining guys are all seasoned pro's, each with well over 10 years B757/767 ETOPS & global route experience, generally 40+ in age & are all in the next tranche of Command slots on the B757. More Pilot Apprentices are being trained for the B757, a liberal sprinkling of returnees from the Gulf' & those moving on to 'Bigger Things' coming from turboprop commands being trained up over the winter will ensure that the numbers are back up to normal levels as the season starts. In addition to a smattering of transfers from the B737 fleet.

The B757 Captains are pretty much a settled bunch, with annual totals for Line Captains rarely getting above 400 hours, Trainers do have it tougher with TRI/TRE's shuttling up & down the M62.

The pay is on time, albeit at the lower end of the salary rankings for similar operators. Company is doing well, not over exposed in the Mediterranean trouble spots, no 'Deep' night flights that blights most Charter/IT rosters, they own most of their aircraft outright, they're spending squillions of quids on cockpit & avionics upgrades for the B757 investing in them to keep them for the next 7-10 years & brand new B73NG's to replace the older B733's. They're increasing in size at a cautious rate but the rise in share price glows of cautious, shrewd management. When I joined it was 75p, now its around 525p in 5 years. Forward bookings are way ahead of already ambitious predictions for S2016, it's looking rosy.

The management just needs to give internal upgrades to it's most experienced SFO's, provide competitive T&C's more in-line with its competitors, introduce a Staff Travel scheme & a Rostering Agreement IF it wants to attract & retain its experienced crews.

Because all in all its not a bad job, with fun crews & simple flying.

Northern Highflyer 15th Dec 2015 10:37


Bad luck NH! The personal phone call, albeit a rejection, is a very nice touch! Give it a go next year!
Very true JB. It made a bitter pill slightly easier to swallow. My application will be in again next time. :ok:


this and a bunch of other tests designed to see if a non-pilot was a good training risk may be good for selecting cadets from the X-box generation but us 15,000 hour old farts are not good in front of the games consol !
A and C

I don't have 15,000 hours but I'm heading towards old fart territory rapidly, so perhaps I need to brush up on my X Box skills. I'll have a word with Santa. :E

cgwhitemonk 21st Dec 2015 09:30

Any improvements on the randomness of people being upgraded from 70% to 100%? On the 75 in particular.

Flying Wild 22nd Dec 2015 14:40

Pay increase of 4% on basic & sector pay plus £5000 increase for captains from 1 April next year. Also increase on sector payments for longer sectors to £30/sector.

Busbo 22nd Dec 2015 15:27


Originally Posted by Flying Wild (Post 9217999)
Pay increase of 4% on basic & sector pay plus £5000 increase for captains from 1 April next year. Also increase on sector payments for longer sectors to £30/sector.

What are the "longer sectors"? Is it the same as the longest sector bracket under the old pay system or a new even longer one?

Flying Wild 22nd Dec 2015 19:05


Originally Posted by Busbo (Post 9218049)
What are the "longer sectors"? Is it the same as the longest sector bracket under the old pay system or a new even longer one?

>1300NM i.e. Canaries/Turkey/Cyprus/USA on 757

NewFence 22nd Dec 2015 21:58

Not quite.

The old sector pay is the same (<1000/1000-1300/>1300) but there's now an additional >1600nm rate which is £32.

choc-ice 22nd Dec 2015 22:06

Any news about the FO's getting a pay increase? Thanks

LVL_CHG 23rd Dec 2015 08:25

I believe FO/SO it's 4% and £13 for the longer sectors. SFO also get a £1000 increase.

B737900er 23rd Dec 2015 08:40

Friends have told me £1070 add on for SFO's.

They also had a 3% pay rise in October time which was back dated so all in all thats a 7% pay rise. SFO wages won't be far off £65k if you include sector pay.

16024 23rd Dec 2015 08:53


They also had a 3% pay rise in October time
..and many stories were told of the October pay rise, and legends were born that the pay, it did rise, and it was October...

Station_Calling 23rd Dec 2015 11:09

OCTOBER PAY RISE...
 

They also had a 3% pay rise in October time
No, they didn't.

Flying Wild 23rd Dec 2015 16:19


Originally Posted by B737900er (Post 9218629)
They also had a 3% pay rise in October time

News to me. That letter must have been lost in the post and they must have forgotten to tell payroll too...

B737900er 23rd Dec 2015 18:01

My source said it was an immediate payrise of 3% back in june/july time.
Not October like I said so my mistake.

Station_Calling 23rd Dec 2015 20:11

Still wrong...
 

My source said it was an immediate payrise of 3% back in june/july time.
Not October like I said so my mistake.
Your source is talking bo***ks.

No pay rise for any FD after the April one. And £65k for an SFO? Maybe the odd one or two B737 FO's hitting 900 hours, but for almost every other SFO, maybe £62k - AFTER next April's pay rise.

If you don't actually know, why comment?

Flying Wild 24th Dec 2015 06:35


Originally Posted by Station_Calling (Post 9219221)
Maybe the odd one or two B737 FO's hitting 900 hours

...and they would have to be supremely unlucky. The majority are looking at 550-600 hrs/yr. Hard to get to 900 when you do 2-3 flights a month in the winter!

LVL_CHG 24th Dec 2015 08:37

Sorry. Forgot the £70! :D

DADDY-OH! 24th Dec 2015 10:30

Trainer's got a pay rise. That may have been in October.

B737900er 24th Dec 2015 12:16

Daddy-Oh Yes they did, thats why more source said they got a pay rise.

So Station Calling that would answer your question.

Either way £62k a year (including sector) is pretty well paying.

Cloud Chaser 24th Dec 2015 18:34

Out of curiousity, what sort of increment do trainers get?
PPJN doesn't list things like that.


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