Originally Posted by Boeing 7E7
(Post 10619093)
Good idea. Food for thought buddy! |
I can sympathise with both sides of the debate on this. TUI is a great company so I understand where some people are coming from. That said, I think it’s time for some perspective. Frankly, unless you’re unemployed with Xmas round the corner I struggle to feel too much emotion for those already gainfully employed and still able to pay the bills, albeit perhaps not while working for the company you may choose or sat in the seat you may wish to be in. Given time you’re move will still happen and from what I’ve seen those newly employed will joint the bottom of the seniority list anyway. I don’t wish to belittle the concerns of people adversely affected but please spare a thought for those guys and girls that have lost their jobs. Some of whom are good mates of mine. In any case, frankly I’d rather see the TCX folks still able to pay their mortgages than worry about what this means for me me me. |
Originally Posted by 2 Whites 2 Reds
(Post 10619191)
I can sympathise with both sides of the debate on this. TUI is a great company so I understand where some people are coming from. That said, I think it’s time for some perspective. Frankly, unless you’re unemployed with Xmas around the corner I struggle to feel too much emotion for those already gainfully employed and still able to pay the bills, albeit perhaps not while working for the company you may choose or sat in the seat you may wish to be in. Given time you’re move will still happen and from what I’ve seen those newly employed will joint the bottom of the seniority list anyway. I don’t wish to belittle the concerns of people adversely affected but please spare a thought for those guys and girls that have lost their jobs. Some of whom are good mates of mine. In any case, frankly, I’d rather see the TCX folks still able to pay their mortgages than worry about what this means for me me me. |
Originally Posted by The Mixmaster
(Post 10617979)
So posts were not deleted on TUI BALPA forum relating to alleged conflict of interest? BALPA work is not easy for a reason, that reason is often because difficult and challenging situations need to be addressed. The more pleasant problems of rapid growth in this case.. TUI Airways remains one of / the best job in Aviation |
Tui
Any non-TC guys have an assessment last week and heard back yet? |
Originally Posted by Raph737
(Post 10619202)
this situation of not being able to pay your mortgage is not exclusive to TCX pilots.
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Had an assessment last week too (Non TC). Not a single reply yet.
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Originally Posted by LeoNugent
(Post 10619293)
The more strident posts that were bordering on libellous were edited or deleted by the member. Obviously to a greater extent than PPRUNE the forum has to be correctly managed. The trouble with forums or organisations is "the few" potentially making the situation wholly unpleasant.
BALPA work is not easy for a reason, that reason is often because difficult and challenging situations need to be addressed. The more pleasant problems of rapid growth in this case.. TUI Airways remains one of / the best job in Aviation |
Originally Posted by The Mixmaster
(Post 10619913)
Seems like the majority of your members disagree with your assessment Leo. Short term emotional responses don’t often work in the Airline business |
You’ve asked them all then, have you, mixmaster? TUI’s every possible course of action, including doing nothing carried a risk. The greatest of which arguably would have been slowly expanding into market share already taken by a faster- moving competitor. |
Originally Posted by ShotOne
(Post 10620080)
You’ve asked them all then, have you, mixmaster? TUI’s every possible course of action, including doing nothing carried a risk. The greatest of which arguably would have been slowly expanding into market share already taken by a faster- moving competitor. Leo fair play you must have thought you were doing the right thing by your members. I’d say the non TR FO’s recently hired would feel aggrieved given they are paying 7k a year for 3 years for their ratings and given many will have also missed out on command due to the DEC’s who are in turn not paying for their ratings. Many other seniority based airlines can expand at short notice in an unemotional manner which respects seniority. Expansion appears to be a false flag in this instance. In an airline which is based on probably the least worst promotional system - Seniority has to stand for something. |
The exTCX guys are paying for their rating. £7k a year for 3 years, they are also forced into 50% part time in the winter season. That includes the DECs.
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I believe the FO's are paying for their type ratings, not sure about the DEC's but happy to be corrected. I have friends that have waited patiently in the talent pool for a very long time, given course dates back in the summer for the new year (well over the normal 3 month notice period) and now find themselves potentially 60+ seniority places behind fast-tracked pilots. They are happy BALPA have looked after unemployed members from TCX, no one wishes anyone to be in a situation of unemployment, however as seniority seems to be king in terms of bases, redundancy and promotion, its a tough one to accept for them given they applied well over a year ago, have patiently waited in the talent pool for a call and have now seen hopes of a main base dual fleet go up in smoke, regional bases were only on offer when the calls were made yet now main bases are being offered to new joiners. The hope is this expansion goes very well but where are these extra aircraft coming from?
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DECs are paying (bonded) for their type rating as well. As for aircraft, your guess is as good as mine, I do wonder if they are hoping the Max will be back in service by summer 2020. It’s a ****ty deal for your friends. All I can say is that no one wanted this. I imagine the vast majority of those pilots would have been much happier if TCX had carried on. |
The chances of a DEC leaving TUI for another airline are much lower than a DEP. Seems unfair on the face of it but makes sense.
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There's a difference between being bonded (TCX DEC??) and paying for your rating out of your salary every month for 3 years (every other non-rated joiner).
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Look up the page at the BA thread and you will realise Balpa had no real part in this decision. Let's be real, I'm sure the CC etc were TOLD what was happening, but they don't have any power.
TUI had no choice, fail to act and J2 would have snapped up those 100 pilots and be breathing even deeper down their collars than they already are, particularly at MAN. J2 will have their own challenges at merging the TCX guys trust me. The good news is these TCX guys have got jobs where they want to be based, the 'bad' news is that seniority has again been exposed for what it is, a sham, at least in the UK anyway. |
Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns
(Post 10621109)
Look up the page at the BA thread and you will realise Balpa had no real part in this decision. Let's be real, I'm sure the CC etc were TOLD what was happening, but they don't have any power.
TUI had no choice, fail to act and J2 would have snapped up those 100 pilots and be breathing even deeper down their collars than they already are, particularly at MAN. J2 will have their own challenges at merging the TCX guys trust me. The good news is these TCX guys have got jobs where they want to be based, the 'bad' news is that seniority has again been exposed for what it is, a sham, at least in the UK anyway. |
Any off the Non TCX folks who went for assessment heard anything back from a couple of weeks ago? Have job and knew the TCX folks would be taken rapidly but still waiting to hear about the assessment? Would like to know either way? cheers all 👍 |
Talent Pool
Anybody know what the current situation with the 'Talent Pool' is? How long can you expect to wait for an offer?
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