No. He/she is not correct. Check out an engineering forum, perhaps find sympathy for your off topic argument there?

...and what about management loosing their jobs? Lets talk about them too.

Or do you pilots and engineers only think about yourself?:)

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Clunk1001 Quote"...and what about management loosing their jobs? Lets talk about them too.

Or do you pilots and engineers only think about yourself?http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/smile.gif"

Clunk, this has to be a wind up (I note the smiley face) but I will bite:-

Are you suggesting that some managers may lose their jobs?

What is the world coming to?

To be honest I think most pilots and engineers wouldn't have a tear for any managment redundancys in any airline.

50% of that is because in general we are a bunch of self centered gits.

And the other 50% is because both groups are quite remote from alot of the managment functions and have very little contact with most of them. Apart from an occassional snot o-gram which in the main are ignored because said snot o-gram was written with little or no real life experence of flying the line and mostly arn't pratically possible if they are even legal.

This post isn't pointing at Flybe managment BTW I don't have a clue how they deal with either groups.

Don't feel too sorry for the management team. I understand that the headline redundancy rate of 20% only applies to the very top levels of management, not the entire team company wide. So the actual number of redundancies here will only be low single figures.

As for the rest, I suspect most will keep their posts, especially after the recent restructuring.

Leg

Thanks for the reply about the 175s. Must say that they mainly aren't to be found where I go, but are they going to take delivery of the a/c that they so confidently ordered- or not?

If the next ones have been deferred, I guess not.

I'll make the thrust of my enquiry a bit clearer.
I'ts a heck of a big change between ordering dozens of new jets one year and laying off hundreds of staff only a few years later.

What gives?

APD and the economy. Definitely NOT the business model.

Spanders.

APD is the same for all airlines. (and far too high).

I guess the economy affects us all too- Flybe more than the others then?

I know. I was being sarcastic. My post above is generally what the company have trotted out as a excuse for a while now.

LSM.

CC.

Sarcasm is so difficult to convey on't web.

Personally, I was only seconded to them for a few weeks (as a Barbie pilot) when they took over Bacon. Long enough to not fancy them much...

I couldn't ever figure out their business model anyway. Someone told me the ticket pays for flying the planes and they make all the profit from flogging monster margin stuff (buns, drinks models of Flybe 'planes) to the punters. Have they all wised up at once?

Good Luck whatever happens.:ok:

Problem is fella, the monster margin stuff has so big a margin on them nobody buys them - too greedy in too many of the extra areas

Thanks but I got out a couple of years ago.

Agreed, in-flight entertainment these days is laughing at the prices being asked for stuff I don't want. If I'm hungry, I'll eat at the airport where I have a real choice, a proper table and some elbow room. There is probably more cost to the airline in hauling that cr@p around than margin made from on-board sales.

Here's a free business tip. Rather than paying your people to try and flog me some Pringles, pay them to ask me questions about my journey. What worked well ? What didn't work well ? Why did I choose to fly with them ? Where am I travelling next and who will I use ? How will I make that choice ?

Who knows, Flybe may sort themselves out and get more of my company's business.


.....or maybe they won't.

oh dear here we go again....
Can we be clear that the average line pilot doesn't really get a say in the pricing policy of seats at their airline , or the bloody Pringles , or the sodding Hong Kong made embraer clip together planes.

there is a forum on here called " airlines, airports and routes". Might I suggest you go there instead.

Frazer you might find the crew are just as pissed of with some of the policys of the airline as you are.

The common bitch is stealing of planes to cover tech ones which means that instead of one plane being late there is 7-8 flights late and 7-8 crews lives screwed with possibly screwing the roster for the rest of the week and having to have an unplanned night stop. BUt apparently its cheaper to get the 7-8 flights away with under 2 hours late than have one 3-4 hours late.

Doesn't half piss the punters off though.

Mad jock, for someone who does not work for the company you have nailed it there in a very succinct post.

As for the other poster, don't remember your name, I do not see
any issue with order fleet replacement/expansion aircraft and then
having to rejig things at a later date, to quite Slippery Bill,
it's the economy stupid :rolleyes:

Edited to add that it's not just the economy though, chronic
systemic mismanagement has a large role to play too, and I
fear for the future if boy wonder stays in control :{

Unfortunately Mad_jock, the punters have only got themselves to blame for that one. If they hadn't gone running to the European Courts for compensation than EU261 would quite possible not be in existence now.

The company I work for used to do the same as FlyBe, delay one flights as long as required and operate the rest according to schedule. Now with EU261 we change aircraft around to keep the arrival delays under 3 hours. Can't really blame the company for this.

Good luck to all the FlyBe staff, it must be a dreadfull time. :(

Mad Jock.

Even in the short period I worked for them, they were doing this and lieing about it.

We were to operate GLA-MAN-GLA.

When we got to MAN, they said (and the word 'please' was never heard), now do MAN-EDI-MAN, then MAN back to GLA about 3 hours late.

The gave the punters some old pish as the reason for the delay. I simply told them what had happened.

My opinion of them was starting to be formed.....

Just because its the pax fault wont change them not using the flights.

With the ADP the flight prices are now into being more expensive than getting the train. And they don't have the ball ache of airports. Just rock up 10 mins before it leaves and they can take there own food and drinks with them.

If its a multiple hop your cheaper flying into europe then back into the UK again which is just plain barking.

Return fare Glasgow - Benbecula £350 on the day - and the aeroplane leaves half empty.
Given there is little in life so perishable as an aircraft seat once the the doors are closed, would it not make more economic sense to flog them off cheap at the last minute?