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Aldente 10th Feb 2011 06:39

Ryanair Captains on 45,000 per year !!!
 
Latest contracts for upgrades to Captain for new bases :-

Basic pay

60,000 Euros pa minus 10 % for the first year = 54,000 Euros

works out at just over 45,000 for a year's salary !!!

And guys are accepting it !


:ugh:

OutsideCAS 10th Feb 2011 07:36

Really ? 45k ? That is not even a decent salary for an FO - guess I can understand why there is such a huge exodus now and why Management are so worried about crewing their summer programme.

Superpilot 10th Feb 2011 07:50


Originally Posted by Michael O'Leary
Pilots are the most cossetted group of employees in the world

Cossetted = pampered, treasured, well looked after, paid etc.

It's been MOL's number one goal since day one to reduce pilot terms/salary to the point where they're on par with those of Bus Drivers. Looks like he's succeeded. :eek:

BlackandBrown 10th Feb 2011 07:51

It's the nature of the beast to accept such an offer. Just because something is offered doesn't mean it should be accepted. You can't blame business managers for making the offer either, it's their job - they probably expected to offer low have a high request from the pilots and end out meeting in the middle. The people to blame are very definitely those aceepting.

Fliegenmong 10th Feb 2011 08:48

OOhhh!!!! Weed 'ave loooved to be payed 45K....Loooxury :{:E

six-sixty 10th Feb 2011 09:06

Tempting to say they've reaped what they've sowed. Looks like finally the old justification for taking the FR a**e rape for prospect of early command on a good salary is finally laid to rest.

Could be that even the most blinkered wannabes now see that buying yourself a job at FR makes no financial sense whatsoever even long term, and MOLs endless queue of victims may start to dry up. I wish I could believe that.

Monde 10th Feb 2011 09:23

This is , of course , basic salary only , so with flight pay , sector pay etc it's gonna be in excess of 70k. That being said, i was earning more than 45k basic as a lowly turboprop skipper.
A pal of mine has just accepted this deal - enjoy the Canaries! Apparently the total Ryr fleet will be capped at 299 a/c for the foreseeable future , and they've got about 265 of these a/c already . So once the fleet and pilot establishment is at 299 by the end of this year (??) , you are only looking at natural attrition (probably loads!) for Ryr recruitment/commands , so he felt that if he was going to do this (he'd been putting it off for over a year!) then now was the time.
This info is second hand , but deffo food for thought.

d105 10th Feb 2011 14:08

Part of the reason why people are accepting this deal is that Ireland has a dual taxation agreement with all continental EU countries.

This means non-Irish residents are able to reclaim all taxes paid on flights that do not originate or are destined in or to Ireland.

This means your total income is almost your take home income.

I can't vouch for Irish residents or UK residents as the latter seem to have different tax deals with the Irish.

7574ever 10th Feb 2011 19:54


So once the fleet and pilot establishment is at 299 by the end of this year (??)
I believe that fleet expansion isn't due to be completed until Q2 2013.

d105 11th Feb 2011 00:19

Thanks for the insult Pressman.

Local governments are not able to track if a resident has received a tax return. If the resident files a proof of tax paid to another EU government that's where the story ends as far as they are concerned.

Using my brain 'n all.

73addict 11th Feb 2011 08:24

d105, I would not agree with your comment on using your brain!! It is one thing to want to play the idiotic game of tax evasion but to then post it on a public forum is mind boggling. Firstly you open yourself up to attack from everyone and secondly wonderfully and blatantly advertise your illegal activities.
Way to go :mad: :D

lederhosen 11th Feb 2011 08:37

I hate to rain on your party d105 but I do not think that is quite correct. It is my understanding that you are responsible for paying taxes where you are domiciled. As pressman points out the double taxation agreement allows you to layoff tax already paid against your home tax bill. However if you have not paid tax on that element of your earnings it is normally taxable somewhere, unless of course you live somewhere without income tax, thus the attraction of the sandpit.

You may well get away with it for a while. But eventually the taxman is going to catch up with you and may well levy an additional fine. It is hardly a secret who you work for and the taxman has easy access to Ryanair pay scales. I would love to be proved wrong as it would make for more attractive job opportunities for us all. Anybody able to provide conclusive proof that these earnings are effectively tax free?

wizzkid 11th Feb 2011 08:37

That 45k would be closer what a wizz captain would make per annum, actually more than the basic salary and not that much less what you can make with sector pay on a normal month, depending on base.

turbine100 11th Feb 2011 08:59

I work in Norway and live in the UK.

As Norway's not, quite EU. They have a tax agreement with the UK.

I complete certain forms and pay social security only in one of the countries. Regarding tax, I actually pay tax in both the UK and Norway. Then use tax equalisation to claim tax back.

I am surprised that if someone lives in the UK and works for Ryanair, they only need to pay Irish taxes. Especially those based in the UK.

Obviously there must be some agreements between UK and Ireland or perhaps EU rules that allow you to pay tax in other EU states, when living in another. Although I am not versus in this and would suspect EU countries you live in, may challenge that in a European court or would be already to stop this.

despegue 11th Feb 2011 11:37

It is still a matter of national legislation of the domiciled country.

example: In Belgium, there is a specific law for flightcrew that tells that the tax authority lies with the country where the main operational offices of the airline one works for are situated. If you live in Belgium and fly for FR, you pay tax in Ireland. as FR is headquartered in Dublin. If Ireland hands you a certificate that you do not need to pay tax in their country as you are not a resident, then that's it!
I know several guys who did this and even got apology letters from the Belgian authorities as they have no right to even request proof of tax payment due to this law.:D

By the way: If you get your uniform, roster and holidays schedule from FR, then you are an EMPLOYEE according to EU legislation, and NOT a self-employed pilot.

zerotohero 11th Feb 2011 11:50

Are they trying to get a slight loop hole in the holiday thing by asking us to request what month and days we want off, as though were saying were not available these days and we are contractors

its by no means making us not employees but little things are quotable if quizzed I guess.

another note on the FR contracts, most guys coming up to command these days are from the time I joined I guess and most on Brookfield contracts, the rate for me is 138 PSBH or 133.50 after the sim deduction

133.5 X 900 = 120150
Yes thats max hours and top line, But personally I don't think its to bad.

d105 11th Feb 2011 13:36

73addict: Point me to the exact line in the exact post where I state I'm involved in such an operation. Don't try, you won't find it. Kindly leave personal insults out of it.

Lederhosen: That is most certainly true. I should have narrowed it down to the taxation system that is applicable to me. In my case that is the Belgian system. As Despegue already stated earlier, that is how the system works in my country.

But seriously guys, you need to calm down. ;)

16024 11th Feb 2011 18:56


If Ireland hands you a certificate that you do not need to pay tax in their country as you are not a resident, then that's it!
O.k. so how do I get the Irish to hand me such a certificate. They only seem interested in picking my pocket. Most months I'm doing well to take home half of the top line. What am I missing, apart from a sense of humour..
(U.K. resident).

Bokkenrijder 12th Feb 2011 12:16

45k per year... :ooh:

Amazing...and then you still have idiots out there touting the wonderful future career prospects of sitting in the LHS of a low-cost airliner.

No matter how far you run for commands on shiny 777's in dry deserts, no matter how much you cheat / use loopholes on your taxes in order to disguise the poor T&C's: you guys are doomed until you get your act together!

The Michael O'Leary's and Carolyn McCall's of this world will continue to cut, cut and cut in T&C's, leaving you with less and less places to run to. :ugh:

d105 12th Feb 2011 16:32

Share some of your wisdom Bokkenrijder. Any concrete ideas on what to do?


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