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easyJet. Having a laugh.
Easyjet looking for Captains for 6 months, based in Basle.
Works out at 4500 GBP a month. I thought they were talking about FO's............ |
That seems to be a bunch more money than what a Wizz Captain earns.
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It depends dear Wiggly.
Not on my contract. But, your race to the bottom ideals are well enshrined in easyJet now. Here come the UK contract Captains soon. |
..thats around 4900 euros...for a Commander? or for a monkey?.. .not even enough to pay food for a monkey...not to mention for a human being...:yuk:
pay peanuts and the flight deck will be a gage for ...... Do those :mad: from this island, obviously their own pockets full of money, have any idea about the real world....have they heard anything about at least "fair pay"..... ...that happens if you eat mint sauce and meat, and drink warm beer :O |
Oh, Wiggly. I forgot to say that is GROSS pay....
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That salary is a combination of sad and disgusting. I work for neither EasyJet or WizzAir. I just read the posts by the pilots. It appears that terms like "airline employee Captain and First Officer" are quickly becoming a thing of the past? From just what I read in these posts on this website, it may be safe to say that the First Officer position is similar to an amusement park ride (please, no disrespect intended) and the Captain position is being outsourced to contract agencies. Is the future to have zero pilot employees, but simply have contractors?
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I guess due to its location this position will come under the auspices of Easy Suisse so BALPA will have an excuse not to get involved. :ugh:
"Messy business old boy pass the mint sauce". . . indeed For the second time in as many months Easy are pronounced Limbo Dancing champions. |
Uncle Wiggily you are spot on. It is easyJets managment dream to eventually have only contractors on Z scale T and C's, with pay to fly monkeys in the RHS.
A number of years ago the directors commissioned the Berger report which actively encourages the use of contractors as a way of de unionising the workforce, and reducing T and C overall. Combine that with the general apathy amongst easyJet pilots, who either believe it doesn't affect them, or are too scared even of their own shadow to stand up to management, and you can see why we are doomed. |
Stansdead , your source for this information is ???
A link would be greatly appreciated or is this just hearsay and rumour ? |
Get your facts right!
Stansdead, your valued input is as always way off the mark!
The details that PAS Aviation gave me are: CHF 7550 per month gross, plus CHF 1000 per month end of contract bonus which is £ 5358 assuming that you stay the 5 or 6 months of the contract! There is also an accommodation allowance of CHF 1500 per month! Put this all together and that makes about £ 6300! But as someone once said, never let the truth get in the way of a good story! One day you might have something positive to add to the threads you contribute to (but i doubt it somehow) |
Isn't the contract posted on PAS website for a central european A320 loco? I took this to be Wizz air, not ezy swizz.
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Dont forget that on the 7550 CHF you will get taxes to pay.
In switzerland they are deducted from your salary when you are not resident, it varies according to your yearly earning so first month it s almost nothing but after 2 or 3 month it rise to around 20%... 7500 -20% = 6000 chf (4176 euros) And also if they obey the swiss laws you have also to pay for the social security... |
ezy swiss ???? doesn't sound so:
Area of Operations ...........World wide, Except Iraq & Afghanistan |
Highflyer
and those pathetic sums add up to a good 6 month contract in your world? |
the contract posted on PAS website for a central european A320 So: ...it was just a fake? ... the job is cancelled? .. or 1000 desperate captains, scratching the PAS's door ? :ugh: |
Or sponsored by airlines to drive T& C's down!
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Missing another point!!
There are many SFO's, me included waiting for an upgrade in at EZS. The waiting list was already about 5-8 years as it runs a seniority list for promotion,
dead mans shoes. Three new aircraft this year, and only a handful of internal upgrades...the whole thing stinks! |
the whole thing stinks! |
the whole thing stinks! Its interesting how people can acknowledge that the world economy is in meltdown, that aviation is suffering badly and people are losing their jobs left right and centre. But they simply cannot accept that it might just spoil their own plans a little bit! Why don`t you just accept that you have a job that is in one company that is about as secure as you can get in these appalling times. If that proves too difficult then try reading a few threads away from your own little world. Just a few years ago easyJet was promoting F/Os with levels of experience never seen before in the history of aviation. They were good guys and gals but such rates of growth could never be sustained regardless of the recession! |
FACT: There are NOT 1000's of unemployed A320 Captains in Europe.
Especially not for such poor money...... Why don't we all stop talking down the terms and conditions in our industry, accept that the World economy is actually getting better now and stick our necks out for 1/2 way decent money? For a 6 month contract, this was an insulting joke.:mad: |
Am still wating for conclusive proof that this is indeed Easyjet we are talking about here.
Nothing heard internally , nor on the BALPA forums, so i presume its just BS from someone with a grudge. |
New Chief
Just been a news flash on Sky 'An Exclusive' they say,that Easy has appointed a new female chief and is coming over from 'The Guardian' newspaper I just caught the end of the item so did not get her name.
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From Sky News
The low-cost airline easyJet is in advanced talks to appoint Carolyn McCall, the boss of the company which publishes The Guardian newspaper, as its new chief executive, I have learned. The appointment of McCall, which will stun both the media and airline industries, is likely to be announced later this week and could come as soon as tomorrow. McCall, the chief executive of Guardian Media Group, will become a rare thing when she takes up her post: a woman in charge of one of the world’s biggest airlines. It’s not clear whether McCall has informed the board of GMG yet about her impending move, and I should point out that as with all appointments of this nature, it could still fall over at the last minute. It will be intriguing to hear the explanation of Sir Mike Rake, easyJet’s chairman, for the recruitment of McCall, since at first glance there are few obvious similarities between the world’s of media and aviation. I would expect that Sir Mike will point out that both easyJet and GMG are consumer-facing businesses in industries in which the internet is becoming an increasingly important distribution platform. It’s safe to assume that Sir Stelios Haji-Ioannou, easyJet’s founder and still the airline’s biggest shareholder, will have approved of the appointment. If the appointment goes ahead, McCall will be joining easyJet at an intriguing time for the company, which has seen its boardroom buffeted by turbulence during the last couple of years amid disagreements between Sir Stelios and the board over the airline’s strategy. At GMG, McCall has overseen plenty of corporate restructuring during her years at the helm, including the recent sale of some of its regional newspapers to Trinity Mirror. The appointment of her successor will be intriguing for media observers (excuse the pun on the name of GMG's Sunday newspaper title). EasyJet declined to comment this evening, while McCall couldn’t be reached for comment. |
Why don`t you just accept that you have a job that is in one company that is about as secure as you can get in these appalling times. Contract captains are extremely bad news for the career progression of an F/O, regardless of hours. Just because an airline is doing well and the job is relatively secure, doesn't mean its employees should adopt a 'glad to have a job' mindset and accept a battering of their T&Cs. do you think that it's your automatic right to have a command? |
Right Touch,
No grudge. Not internal. Why not ring PAS Agency and ask them directly if they were really looking for A320 Captains? That's who had the "advert". |
It's already confirmed, contract Captains and First Officers are starting with easyJet Switzerland for this summer.
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Stansdead, I have to agree with you. If the pay offered is as reported, then it is a disgrace and an affront to all of us. My local omnibus drivers are paid more than that (and please, those of you who are tempted to apply the rejoindre 'you're only glorified bus drivers any way', just consider the idiocy of such a comparison before you do) and anyone who accepts an offer like this is only helping drive the final nails into the coffin of this profession.
If an airline can get away with paying a salary like this once, they will do it again and again and the salary will reduce each time. There needs to be unified, international action against this downward spiral and I'm delighted to see colleagues in Germany and Portugal making a stand. The old chestnut of 'hard economic times' will be used by managements to instill the fear factor in us. Of course, there have been many casualties due to fleet reductions and timetable trimming (I am, for one) but just take a look at your airline and see who is really making the sacrifices and I would suggest you won't see many on the 'landside' of the perimeter fence. |
[QUOTthey will do it again and again and the salary will reduce each time]
[/QUOTE] Until they cant get the pilots and once again the pendulum swings! For a 6 month contract, this was an insulting joke My understanding is that there was no shortage of applicants then, and I suspect it will be the same again. Do you think pilots accept this kind of pay just to piss you off Stan? You sit there in your secure job telling everybody they should `stick their necks out`. I suppose having to chose whether to go back to a secure job in Virgin or take a quick command in easy was `sticking you neck` out. Would it be fair to assume that you support the BA CC too? Maybe we should spare a thought for the poor bas:mad:ds who will have to take this job or chose between equally crap pay in a third world country away from their families, or income support! If there really are no Airbus pilots out there who are so desperate for a job then, guess what? the agency wont recruit them, easy wont fill its gaps and everyone will be happy. |
FlyingStig,
I am confused, to be accurate, your post confuses me!! I have nothing to do with Virgin, and I have never taken a quick Command at easyJet. I used to work for Virgin, but left in 2009. I am an A320 Captain, but not for easyJet. Anecdotally, the corner is being turned. Whilst I utterly disagree with the way new entrant FO's are being made to pay for everything and fly for nothing, these are largely the product of dreams and marketing men fantasies at flight schools. Sadly, with low hours and little to offer the airlines by way of experience, it seems FO's may be abused for some time yet. However, experienced, type rated Captains are different animals altogether. We need to resist accepting these terms immediately. Easy for me to say? Yes!! But it IS the right thing to do, or else it's all over. For ever. |
Stan,
Apologies, its me thats confused. In a thread entitled Virgin Atalntic you said I did my bit by taking a sabbatical. I then got offered VSS which I took. I enjoy my low cost Command. It's different to VS, and yes, I'd like to get nearer home, or use my... Notwithstanding any of the above I dont think you address the thrust of post. Of course, I sympathise with the plight of the low houred F/Os and I would love to see T&Cs higher, anyone in their right mind would. Just as noone wants to be in a position where they have to accept crap ones!! If there really are no Airbus pilots out there who are so desperate for a job then, guess what? the agency wont recruit them, easy wont fill its gaps and everyone will be happy. So, the airlines fill their vacancies with low paid contractors while jobs are scarce. The unions cant (or wont) do anything about it. However, when there is an upturn and a demand for pilots, you can bet that the unions will be in there fighting for the proper contracts for the pilots (and their subs?!) when I first started, the charter carriers laid off most of the F/Os along with the CC at the end of the summer season. They were taken on again in the spring. Things do change as the pendulum swings. As I have said before, we have come out of the biggest and most sustained period of growth in the industry since the Wright Brothers. It would be naiive to think it could have kept on going for ever!! |
FlyingStig,
It's true that I left VS on sabbatical in early 2009. 1st April to be exact. I joined another loco as a DEC immediately. Perhaps I was lucky? Perhaps I saw the aviation downturn coming quicker than others did? Either way, it doesn't matter. As far as FO's in my company deserving a Command - and me nicking it.... Well, at the time we didn't have enough experience in the FO ranks to be considered for Command. And, guess what? A year later we are still expanding and don't have enough experienced FO's to promote. Don't get me wrong, we are promoting our own -and plenty of them- but there's not enough. Therefore, we still need DEC's today. And, whilst new contracts aren't as good as old ones, they are either long term or permanent!! That's what gets me p1ssed about easyJet offering low money for no security. A new, abysmal low has been reached, and will no doubt be passed if people accept this type of "deal". Bad news. |
A year later we are still expanding and don't have enough experienced FO's to promote. |
@stansdead
Therefore, we still need DEC's today. Thanks for sharing. |
ya, it would be interesting to know. plus how is it that the BAs of this world managed for the last 60 years without 1 single DEC ? maybe it s luck too
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Ring Storm Aviation and ask them which airlines that fly A320's in Europe need DEC's. Simple.
As for BA. Well, that's a different animal isn't it. Eastern Europe does not offer a final salary pension, or a seniority list. Being a DEC in an expanding airline is one thing. Taking a Command from a qualified SFO employee is another in a stagnant airline. Don't confuse the 2 things...... |
Being a DEC in an expanding airline is one thing. Taking a Command from a qualified SFO employee is another in a stagnant airline. Don't confuse the 2 things...... I must say that such altruism is sadly lacking these days! |
I think the reference is to Wizz rather than THY for DECs, where I believe salary (and tax?) is now paid from Switzerland.
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I wasnt actually suggesting that Stan was working for THY, merely offering a hypothetical choice!:ok:
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I think the good days are around soon again....
Keep up the hard work, and vote with your feet when the time is right. In the mean time work to rule and unite against management's desire to erode the T&Cs |
It seems that someone was listening....
I have just been told by PAS Aviation that the terms and conditions have been improved and brought more into line with what the easyJet Switzerland pilots make!
It seems that they are looking for only a small number of contract DEC's though. The details are not out yet, but I was told they are "much better", lets see what that actually means! |
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