According to latest rumours from the management is that EZY might start with seasonal contracts for flight crew, more contracted pilots and for the few remaining slots some summer commands. Great news for all F/Os within Ezy group.

There will be other things that the crew will have to give up during these tough times, but BALPA are now negotiating with the orange for a settlement in all these questions. I am sure BALPA will do their utmost and agree to everything.

Summer commands. Seasonal contracts. More contracts to the LHS.

:ugh:

Time to start looking for a new job. Unfortunaly I dont think there is any other jobs out there. For the moment.:(

How long have you lads been in the pool now? Cheers.

Not as cost effective as TRSS - you can expect these applicants to go ahead of cadets should there be any recruitment . . . which is unlikely.

Heard that we have taken on 40 new entrants in the last few weeks, anybody who knows more about this?

Anyone????

40 is the number of cadets that CTC has a contract to supply EZY with per year. Looks like there might not be any holdpool movement for a while.

I heard a few got binned after failing to complete base training . ..

unfortunately it would seem that Easyjet's requirements for next year have already been accounted for via ctc, leaving the holding pool pretty much swimming with no raft in sight :uhoh:

Might be worth having a chat with BALPA about that??

I am not sure they are allowed to take people from outside and let them skip the holdpool, just to jump in front of it all.

Stand to be corrected though :bored:

I believe the holdpool is outside BALPA's jurisdiction as those in it do not work for Easyjet.

FC

I will give you a clue......ctc gals and guys are cheaper and can be hired on a seasonal basis.:ugh::yuk:

Rosco,

Actually Clara and the other ATP guys are cheaper as they paid £35000 for type rating and line training. In fact they flew for free :ugh:


I have read an internal document about a year ago stating that Direct entry pilots and CTC recruiting is going to be kept at an absolute minimum and focusing primarily on TRSS as it is the the cheapest way for EZY.

Anyway that document was from before they took in these ATP selffunded guys which I believe has been permanently stopped.

But going back to the holding pool; I think you will be swimming for a good time and unless you don't want to join as TRSS, I think you will be swimming there forever :\

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So for a dep too? with A320 trating and more than 3000 hours???? no impossible:{:{

it s christmas soon so i would like to join the team and leave the pool:sad::sad:
please santa claus:ok::ok:

Some confusion here. To those that may not understand, there are 2 different schemes under discussion here. CTC provides cadets to various companies via 2 different schemes - an an-initio sheme taking about 18 months including basic flying training in New Zealand and their ATP scheme which involves newly qualified but inexperienced pilots getting a type-rating and some other training. Both get placed with partner airlines like easyJet for 6 months and historically always got permanent jobs if they were up to scratch. Recently easyJet departed from that and binned over 20 good people at the end of their 6 months to save money. Nonetheless, I understand that easyJet has an ongoing contract to provide 6 months' flying to other CTC pilots who will come along as and when we can take them. They may or may not get permanent jobs some time in the future - a terrible state of affairs but those are the bare facts.

Over and above that, an easyJet Training Captain runs a different scheme whereby newly qualified pilots turn up with £32k and easyJet (among others) provide a type-rating and give them 150 hours line training but no job at the end of it. Confusingly, this is also called 'The ATP Scheme' but is nothing to do with CTC. By 'mutual agreement' easyJet's contract with that scheme was cancelled last week. There will be no further pilots undertaking line training at easyJet from that scheme but easyJet will finish the training of all ATP pilots already in the system

JPHIL much as it pains me to say it, you are exactly what they don't want. A DEP with a rating costs DEP money and a full time contract. For the forseeable, all that is required in H89 is cheap labour. This will come back and haunt them (it always does) but I would say they'll get away with it for at least 18 months :rolleyes:

Clara,why would you join as trss if you have a rating and have been screened as DEP?

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Maybe you should work as a volunteer for oxfam or something?

Step aside Clara and make way for someone who DOES want decent terms and conditions and a decent salary at the end of every month. Flying for free for 6 months please go talk to yourself in the corner and come back when you have ******* grown up, its the likes of you that are causing conditions to slip for the rest of us :*

Oh and my guess is that to join the TRSS you would have to pay all over again!

TRSS are paid exactly the same, £5000 a year is paid on top of the reduced salary to fund the rating bought from CTC.

Clara why don't you **** off and stop ruining the terms and conditions of all the professional pilots out there. If you want to play at it for free - go and do it somewhere else. Maybe buy your own aircraft. But for god's sake, no more voluntary work cr*p on here - I can only echo the previous comment about Oxfam.

Flying Clara = what does daddy do ?

An excerpt from an e-mail from one of the BALPA company council reps last night

The CTC cadets which were binned will not be taken back on permanently in the summer. They will be taken on via the CTC FlexiCrew scheme.

In light of that comment, those in the TRSS pool anticipating a permanent job may well have a long wait.

I wouldn't bother feeding the troll - it won't get in anyway.

From what I heard from the a couple of trainers the "Pay as you go" ie flying Clara's were not up to standard for ej. You may have had an interview and be in the holding pool, I just hope you have good armbands....actually I hope not. Fly for free, have some self respect.

you're not married to nuageblanc are you? If not you should be (troll alert!)
Irrespective of how much you paid for your rating, you'll not be flying an orange one for a very long time.

Flying Clara,

During November and December approximately 34 CTC Wings trainees started their A320 TRTO course in Southampton.

Although these students haven't yet been allocated an airline, I wouldn't mind betting that they will get into EJ before your good self.

Why? Just ask the accountants.

I think Flying Clara that you need a dose of reality, who pays for the bills at home if pilots work for nothing? How long would you work for free? Completely unrealistic unless of course you've got a rich Daddy but not everyone has one of those.

As far as easyjet hiring, it looks like there may be some jobs but seasonal at best.

I just want to get this straight, Flying Clara paid for a TR for 35K, passed the Airbus TR (which is extremly tough) then completed the line training to a high enough standard to be asked to apply for the DEP pool, passed that and was placed in the Easy holding pool (which I believe) along side many more experienced pilots AND is a low hour pilot! Not only that but Easy are known within the industry of having very high standards, hence why Virgin dont requrie Easy pilots to do a sim ride. In my mind that equals a good natural pilot, I understand everyone has issues with the 35K but no one has issues with CTC cadets, I find that amusing. Dont they work for free for six months with no guarantee of a contract at the end of a very expensive course? I also wouldn't be too sure that the CTC guys will have priority of the hold pool, obviously they are free which is great however, in my airline when their training comes to an end they dont have priority over the hold pool OR other cadets. Maybe some people looked at the market before starting their training and decided to keep it as cheap as poss and put any further monies they have towards a TR at the end as that was the way the market was going. Also, before rich daddy comment start flowing maybe some people thought of this then saved the money before starting the training and have relitivly low loans in comparison to others. I know of quite a few guys who have done this and it has paid off for them, obviously I am not saying that this is what Flying Clara did but I am just getting fed up of these comments and thoughts of 35K for TR = cr:mad:p pilot + rich daddy + golden spoon. Maybe some people should stop being so bitter that others are in holding pools when they have paid for a TR!

According to ppjn; Virgin doesn't require anyone to do SIM ride regardless of airline.

I do not know Flying Clara or any of these TRE Curd self sponsored ATP guys, but I know from several trainers that many of these people were not good or up to standard - most likely from bad training in the sim which was highly criticised by EZY trainers too.

Over and out.

Just for info, the sim training was done by EZY.

Flying Clara

I think you have much greater problems than the hold pool! Your willingness to work for nothing is admirable, and I’m sure it shall win you many points with the company accountants!

But in the long term it only serves to degrade the already battered terms and conditions for the rest of us, and whilst you say now that you are happy with the reduced salary, or to turn up and pay the airline to sit in its seat the rest of us are not and are fighting at every corner not to have more taken away from us! I only hope you see this, albeit now or in a couple of years when you cannot afford the house that you wish for your family to grow up in because you are too busy paying off your BAA car parking bill!

Not quite. EZY did an OPC/LPC but did NOT do the type rating sim sessions.

I'd rather have a salary Clara, at 25 most people have mortgages and bills to pay for amongst other things and not still living at home with Mummy and Dadddy to pay for everything and cook your favorite dinner. You really are a joker and I hope I never have to share a flightdeck with you at Easyjet.

If you want to work for nothing go work for a charity, they will need you more than Easyjet.

EZY are not a TRTO - they use CTC for all TR courses. CTCs training standards are hit and miss - they use contractors themselves, so some TRIs are good, others bad. They seem to train all the students to the EZY SOPs - even those who don't work for EZY!! (me included)

It is only about money these days - if you are cheaper than the next guy, you'll get the job. If you are a revenue stream - even better.

You only have to look at the new 'Flexi' CTC scheme to know we are all doomed.

The type rating sim sessions were done by EZY trainers at FSC Amsterdam.

EpsilonVaz,

You are absolutely correct about EZY trainers doing the sims. I was not saying the trainers in the sim were bad. But some of the trainers I've talked to complained about/were concerned of the whole setup and said it was quite bad ie. no days off while doing the course etc. Doesn't exactly help on these students performances which has been a big issue throughout their training. Nevertheless the training has stopped and won't start again, well not in EZY at least. What has happened to these guys, I've heard that they were supposed to go to Air Arabia after their EZY training!? Anyone know, Clara maybe?

No Sponsor;

Not correct, CTC is NOT the only provider for typeratings in EZY. CAE are doing quite a few typeratings and Airbus has been used in the past as well.

I am an EZY Trainer and have personally trained some of the ATP cadets at FSC in AMS. I have also subsequently flown several Line Training flights with a number of them. It would be a sweeping generalization to say they are all bad - that is simply not true. There have been issues with course structure and timing, but not something that could not be ironed out. The key thing for all outsiders to know is that easyJet management have not hesitated to act when they were concerned about individual performances - not everyone who started has finished the course for one reason or other. Our Head of Training is a cautious man - a trait it is difficult to criticize in his position. Any risk is too much risk and he has acted accordingly. For whatever reason the scheme is over at easyJet and once the current candidates are finished that will be the end of it. Not a single one will move directly to easyJet for a 'real' job. If subsequently they get positions with other airlines, they will no doubt be eligible to apply to apply to easyJet through the normal recruitment process - assuming they have the necessary experience.

Sorry chaps, I misunderstood who did what.

That's right, you don't. :D

Does anybody know when was the last SFO called from the holding pool? I have been swimming for almost 6 months and I should be somewhere around the 70's.
I have six months left with my current contract and I am pretty sure eazy won't call me before that.
blue skies

in the pool like nemo...since 2007 it s not a joke:ugh:

good luck :ok:

I take it that we could be in the Pool for years then depending on base requirement and many other factors! Does anyone know exactly how Ezy call people from the Pool? There seems to be so many different opinions on how and why they choose people.

Now that Alitalia has been bailed out again, what will happen to Ezy's recruitment drive for Milan? I don't know if Ezy were hoping that Alitalia wouldn't get bailed out in the end, and they would move in to MXP, and operate from there.

What about the future Airbus orders? Are they being put on hold as Stelios wants, or are Ezy contracted to take delivery of them in 2009/10 etc?

I'm not sure Ezy know themselves at the moment. Just wait and see what 2009 brings, and hope we all get out of the pool sooner, rather than later.

Cheers,

Si.