I agree with Mark. All sorted out. Misunderstanding.:ok:

osbo - Mark recounted some advice a Captain once gave him -
"Look around the room, if you can't spot the tosser, it's probably you."

Maybe you should take it and think about it on your next trip to sunny Spain.:uhoh:

The big picture remains appreciating that Flybe is a good place to be, and is getting better all the time. You can be part of it, oryou can go elsewhere. It won't really matter to Flybe, but you owe it to yourselves to make a careful judgement and remember that no-one likes whingers.:=

Gh Brs
 

Lite - As it stands, Servisair will have the monopoly at BRS once BACON go. As BIA handle >2m pax pa, they cannot stop any other GH agent coming in. I've had informal chats with some of the BIA management, and have been told unofficially that although some of the other GH companies have been in touch, they won't come in without having a couple of decent contracts, and the airlines there seem to want to stay with Servisair. Note my use of the words 'informal' and 'unofficially'. We don't have any more info than what is available on the BACON and Flybe websites, and we aren't even sure that Flybe will operate the BACON routes ex-BRS after March. Servisair (or any other GH company) may well need extra CS staff if there is extra business for them, and some of the current BACON CS staff are hoping this will be so. There is more of a fear that there will be no jobs, rather than a fear of working for Servisair. Most of the CS staff live locally, and would not be able to move to another airport, I guess it's the same at BHX. Personally, I started networking within an hour of getting the original announcement on 03Nov. I have a couple of verbal offers, one back at LHR with mainline BA, where I spent 20 years before coming to BRS, and another locally.



Rgds GroundBunnie

TLP,

I guess you must spend a lot of time looking around rooms forelornly.

Spain? WTF?

If anyone knows the identity of TLP, please feel free to PM me.

spelling!
 

er.....that's "FORLORNLY".

I think YOU may be better placed than I to tell us all about 'Susie'.:}

Thumperdown, why does a thread that revolves around a potential take-over/merger, which is currently under review, associated pay and seniority, BALPA results, FLYBE/BACON management decisions, all of which are part of one of the largest take-overs in UK aviation history, not deserve to be in rumours and NEWS??!!!!

Please move this thread back to the correct R&N forum.

Thankyou,

FB

I agree. This thread has already been moved away from R & N once and then put back because the move was judged erroneous.

If this isn't the biggest real news in the UK aviation industry for years, I can't imagine what is.

Please, please; back to Rumours and News.

Moving Threads
 

FB
Moving threads is not my responsibility - I just came across a copy of the 'rules' and posted them.:ok:
I was genuinely pleased that any posts which could be found offensive by others had been removed by those responsible so to do. Sorry if my post was in any way misleading.
Thumper

FAO Borat w/118 et al.
 

"Dear Exployted Person, I think we is all behinds our CC, all they have to do is ask and they will receive.Unfortunatly I am often informed that I have no skills to take any where:8 "

Sorry been absent so much has passed etc.

Your quote above tells me my fears are right. Not doubting the CCs intent/will etc but "Your skills not required" is not good CRM.

This is an unusual situation & all skills should be considered. Why are they reluctant to have your help?

So our own moderator doesn't know why the thread about the biggest news in UK commercial aviation is jumping back and forth from from one forum to another. Disgraceful! And all he can do is delete posts without telling us why and then say he knows nothing about it. Get a grip Thumper - I don't suppose you're BACON management by any chance?
Anyone heard anything more about the EDI setup? AOC, Ts and Cs, mainline pilots involved? Who is to be managing? What other routes out of LCY. There is too little information to make an informed decision, and my blood pressure is rising! I'm sure as usual our management cretins will send us a letter or make an announcement on Dec 24th or thereabouts.
I should have stayed in the Air Force, at least there our instructors knew quality, and chopped those who could not hack it - ARE YOU LISTENING HUTCHINGS??????:oh:

CC

I think you'll find that deleted posts were probably consigned to the recycle bin by the authors.

As for moving the topic to another forum, my guess is that the mods wanted to get it out of the top level forum when it degenerated to the extent where a poster decided to make a personal attack on a named individual. IMHO that poster should have been dealt with severely.

I'll leave that poster to do a spell check for me, as is his forte.

Osbo

A moderating manager! - definitely not.
 

Captain C
"Get a grip Thumper - I don't suppose you're BACON management by any chance?"

Your supposition is correct - I am definitely not BACON management - nor, can I asure you, am I a moderator.
Thumper

The moderator of this thread is Jetdriver whoever he might be. Moderators are listed on the title page of each forum. Thumper is not a moderator, nor is he management - I can vouch for both of those facts.

I have a better idea why don’t we start a new thread about the proposed sale of BA connect, as for the last few pages of squabbling I don’t think I can remember what this thread is about. So come on lets have a thread with no bit(hing and try and have a constructive discussion!

Should the new thred read the making of FLYBE Connect??

Absolutely not.

Anything called 'connect' is, effectively, dead.

The Company is called Flybe. But bigger.

Go figure.

The Flybe takeover of BA Connect will be a huge story,if indeed it happens.Nothing is as yet agreed and the whole discussion here may be totally irrelevant.The only fact as i understand it,is if Flybe do not takeover BA Connect,then Willie Walsh will close it down.Gesturing or true intention,none of us know,what astounds me is that we all seem to accept it as a done deal.I cannot believe that a takeover by Flybe would be to their advantage,neither do I believe that BA will rid itself completely of its regional business...what Willie Wash is playing at is as yet unclear,the sooner we all know the true gameplan the better.this is certainly not a game for those of who's livelihoods are at stake.

It isn't.

BA is NOT giving flybe, what it regards as BACON's 'crown jewels', the EDI-LCY operation, and it's major customer (for the moment at least!) the RBS.

Only an imbecile could fail to make money from that!

Mmmmm :rolleyes:

What, you mean he and his little helpers are staying with the new operation. Blimey, it's doomed.

Tandemrotor

FLYBE couldn't and gave the route to Scot airways!!

Brs going, going
 

At yesterdays meeting at EXT, it appeared Brs was given a last minute partial reprieve, at least for the summer season.

Only 2 Emb145's to stay (with consequent reductions (or redeployments) in crew,hosties and engineers, all by 1st April ) operating routes which BA Connect haven't before.

After 1st April its' bye-bye redundancy payments 'cos we're all 'new starters' with Flybe, but at least current payscales will be 'red-ringed'.

I can do that,gissa job.......

ttfn

Hutchings gone
 

When I checked out today a new FIB had been published. Basically its a rejig of AOC post holders. Hutchings has disappeared, allegedly to spend his full time obtaining an AOC for the EDI fiasco. Mini me gets promoted to GMFO, with a rehabilitated Stevie Deverell becoming chief pilot technical.

Another reshuffle of the pack of jokers me thinks.

From the FlyBe Newsletter
 

Great Career Opportunity
• Greater job security
• Greater career development prospects
• 60 plus BA Connect First Officers
obtaining a Command

The new newsletter update
http://www.nextgenerationairline.com...ter_231106.pdf

Breaking news as I understand it is that if an agreement isn't reached by Dec 22nd, the deal's off!
If the deal's off, there is NO rescue plan. This disfunctional airline that we all know and love so much will close - and a lot sooner than anyone thinks - Merry Bleedin' Christmas!!!

To be honest Mr Tifosi, does anyone really care, it just looks as if we're exchanging one raft of 'promise everything do the opposite' mis-management for another.

Remember when CitiExpress was the biggest regional airline in europe too?

Anyway,quoting from Flybe's own website

http://www.nextgenerationairline.com/qa.htm

I don't think closing BRS counts as "little disruption to current basing as possible" ; do you ?

Personally, if I'm to be made redundant,I'd like to know now, rather than wait and suffer the death of a thousand and one cuts.

ttfn

To be honest Tifosi, does anyone really care now?

It just looks as if we're exchanging one raft of 'promise everything do the opposite' management
for another.

From Flybe's own website http://www.nextgenerationairline.com/qa.htm

I don't think closing BRS counts as "as little disruption to current basing as possible" ; do you ?

Personally, if I'm to be made redundant I'd like to know now, not wait and suffer the death of a thousand and one cuts.

ttfn

So where did this little gen come from, got your glass to the boardroom door then :p . What exactly is "Breaking news as I understand it", can't be very breaking if it needs analysis and subjection

Staff reps wot attended the SCC meeting with Flybe yesterday came back with that info. Go see your nearest rep they have the gen

ttfn

It's going to be Future Size and Shape again....and again......and again.....

Had enough of that the first time, then the second time, then the third time..... can't take a few more years of indecision and displacements.

Roll on 22 Dec - a totally unrealistic timescale.

Interesting, what group of staff do your reps represent? We're hearing nothing of the sort from the BACon Balpa team, they'd have no reason to lie to us

Everybody else that isn't Balpa

ttfn

The Noise coming from Exeter recently is that there will be a merger of the 2 seniority list.:ugh: :mad:

My CV's are being dispatched today as I have had enough.:mad:
I will also be giving myself a 1% payrise.

Our company council have sold us short twice on recent pay negotiations and are now bending over the board room furniture. It is all going to end in tears:{

Oh dear. Where's Fred Elliot, and The Obnoxious Prince when you need them?

Tory canyon where on earth do you live? Sold short by your CC twice.:rolleyes: my brother is delighted with his 19% pay rise (yeah, I know it was 13 for jets, thats still way ahead of what most other groups get, and well above inflation.) And he does actually trust his reps to negotiate a better scheduling agreement:D
Because of course if your CC ad rejected that offer on your behalf, and lead you to the barricades, you'd all have been there wouldnt you:yuk:

It is actually a 16% increase for a turbo prop Captain and just over 9% increase for a jet Captain (1st year) over 2 years.

CC's do not operate unilaterally and would not reject anything without a ballot.

I'm not quite sure what BA Connect crews would prefer at the moment. Would they prefer to work for a regional airline which may well result in a change of base or switching aircraft, but a regional airline that still is commited to growth in the regional airline market? Or simply be closed down?

There will be difficulties with a flybe merger, but at least it's an option which will save more jobs, keep more routes operating and provide more growth opportunities than if BA Connect was simply closed. :ugh:

Tory Canyon is quite justified at throwing teddy out of his/her pram.

The 2 pay rises in question were both heavily biased towards the Dash boys and girls and now we are left with this three year deal/mess. This is hardly a level playing field is it? In my book a pay rise should be the same across the board, otherwise you descend into the Divide and Rule/ Us and Them Chasm.:ugh:

If our CC cannot sort out the basics as it stands at the moment, then gawd elp us when BACon slime their way up our seniorty list.

I think I'll get a few applications in myself now as well. What with the heavily biased Ex BA/BAcon management in our upper echelons, Fly be pilots are going to be in for a rough ride and probably a bit thinner on the ground in the not too distant future.

I suspect Baby, that the answer to most of us is a no brainer. Been made redundant once already in my career, and have no desire to go there again, thanks very much.

However, the problem chewing at both BaCon and Flybe guys and girls at the moment is that no one is being told anything.:suspect: A few hints and maybes here, a lot of speculative bull****, bluster and bravado there, and hey presto, two sets of anxious parties waiting to see if this is resolved sensibly and to everyones benefit, or whether we end up with either a complete clusterf@!k of a rushed integration (pre-emptive please note:- not interested whether we define this as a merger or a take over, so don't bend my ear:= ) or even worse (for those at BaCon not already moving elsewhere) a P45 from kind old Uncle Willie for Christmas.

Once we know what is actually being proposed we can all start thinking about what that means to us individually, but until that happens, be prepared for more public sole searching, angst and sleepless nights from those in both camps while our worst fears run wild.

I say again this could be good long term for everyone if we can just get it rightish at the outset.....

OAP

My source at Fly-be tells me 16 resignations going in tomorrow.:D

Is that down to the take over, the pay deal or just simply because the current T/P payscale is crap?