cloudscape I'm happy that my facts are more accurate that the rosy picture you paint. Let's take one example: This will come as news to many. Would you be good enough to tell us what specific category of new pilot you are referring to, what it is that they are paid and what kind of commitment to payment appears in the contract for the period from the start to the end of their first couple of years employment?

As it says in the document which the grim repa refers to above, there are always exceptions that permit broad claims to be made which cover up the reality experienced for most Ryanair pilots. It's not that exceptions don't take place, but clearly you have not been around Ryanair for long if you make such a broad claim.

How does the following sound to you "gee I'm sorry we no longer have any positions for full time employees, so you are going to become a contractor - we'll try to get you a position when a vacancy comes up" - "But I was told I would be a full time employee!" - "Gee, sorry that's the way it is".

OR "I know that is what is says in your contract, but your sector pay is now at this reduced rate .... ".

Ever heard of conversations like that cloudscape?

Thanks for your advice guys, Ryanair is pretty low on my list of airlines I wish to work for, mainly due to points raised in this and many other threads!

I have a friend whom is working for Ryanair (recently employed), and yes he really has been messed around with long delays for base training etc.....

I'm happy working for Flybe, but my motives for change are lifestyle, as I live in Manchester and working from BHX is taking its toll!(family and financially).

So, I really do need to carefully consider every offer, and at this moment in time I'm pretty relucatant to pay vast amounts of cash (which I don't have) for a rating that may be on a temp contract!!!! I'm thinking maybe I will give Ryanair a wide birth after all............

Thanks for your advice

endofeng :ok:

another Ryanair question
 

Hi everybody!
A friend of mine is thinking of applying for Ryanair after she has been told by some friend how great it is there.
She was told by that guy that he gets 4800 € per month after taxes, is working 5 on 3 off and is based in Frankfurt/Hahn. She was also told that RYR is looking for Pilots with base in Hahn and that this would not be on a contract.

She is type rated for the B737 family and has ca 2800h on type so she wouldn´t have to get a rating.

Can anybody tell me if this sound correct? And does anybody know anything about social security and things like that?

Thanks a lot for all your help!

pressman, you say the money sounds about right. Can you confirm that you are indeed a Ryanair pilot with current Hahn information?

Is she desperate for a job? Why would you leave for FR? Just a question....

Fly safe and land happy

NG

sundanser before she does.tell her to look up and read a document called "guide for prospective ryanair pilots" here on pprune.will give all the latest info on what to expect.

Hi everybody!

Thanks for all the answers!
The reason she is looking for another job is that ours is paid way lower than FR and we don´t get the bases that we want. (among many other things :ugh: like stable off days etc)
While I´m sort of OK with this job I can perfectly understand others looking for better ways to get some money. :} even though I´m not sure about THIS way ;) and I just wanted to some more info on it.

So thanks for the infos and many happy landings!!

P.S. @grim repa
could u send me a link to this guide? Can´t find it....

'No way to tell if they will offer a brookfield or ryanair contract , get it in writing befor you start'

Yes get it in writing.
They still won't honour it but at least you can look at it.

Ryanair Charleroi
 

What are the chances when starting for Ryanair to be based Charleroi ?
What are the Captains saleries when based Charleroi ?
What is the roster ?

Thanks

Cpt or FO ?

ryanair at Charleroi
 

Pressman

I know a Cpt who has just got a CRL base, currently on his sim?

guide for prospective ryanair pilots
 

Hi folks,

can anyone send me a link or send me by email the "guide for prospective ryanair pilots" ?

Thanks,


:ok:

The search function reveals....

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=214074

Ryanair recruiting Varig/Brazilian Pilots?
 

Has anyone heard that Ryanair are somehow hoovering up scores of Varig pilots via Brookfields Aviation.

How are they making them compliant with JAA? Surely most will be based in the UK and be under CAA juristiction?

The rumor was 200+ pilots but that number is quite optimistic at best to say the least. A former Varig captain that flew at Ryanair for 2 months went returned to South America to fly with TAM. That is the airline to which the bulk of the former Varig pilots are flocking to. Some are going to another South American carrier... I beleive it's called GOL.

The ones that do come over will probably work under an IAA validation certificate which will be obtained through normal means.

Ryanair Deductions
 

I am asking in terms of a full-time Ryanair employed contract. Direct entry F/O with bonded rating.

I have gone through as much of the Ryanair stuff via the search function and I have indeed read the "guide to prospective pilots" but I have found little written about the deductions that Ryanair take for things like your uniform, parking, I.D etc..

Can someone please give an indication of what these monthly deductions come to? And what are they?

Also, with your OPC/LPC do you have to pay for flights to EMA and the hotel?

Also if there are any pilots from Girona bases reading this could you give an indication of take home pay for F/O after all the deductions etc..

Many thanks in advance...:}

Ryanair assessment
 

Hi all,

Please, give yuor comments on this issue.I've recentely been invited to visit there asses.day at the East Mimlands airp. Any chance to get ajob if I'm:
A Georgian ATP holder,
over 4000 total,
F/O B737EFIS TR 650h on type.

Any kind of info appreciated.

your other problem is you are rated!:}

it seems to me that Ryanair is not very interested in 737 rated pilots. I know a fair amount of rated guys that fail the assessment ??

Feedback
 

travnet,
I read your words about not giving up.... Maybe you could help me out with some information about European Jobs. I fly B767 in South America and i'm looking for an opportunity in Europe. I don't have JAA but i'm studying to get one. I already sent my application online to Ryanair and i got a negative answer. Is it normal for a 4000 hours heavy jet young Pilot to have such a hard time getting something in Europe?? Do you know anything about it..??? Should i try again or i really need some "networking" to help me out???

Thanks a lot!! Good luck for all!!!

Douguie

Hi Jay,
Do you know of any other agences looking after recruitment for Ryanair?
What was on offer, say for someone with command time on 737, with Brookfield?
Thank you in advance.

jay - unfortunately your story is not the exception,it is more likely the norm.What you are promised pre employment is much different,in most cases,to what you get when they have you in the position where you can not
afford to leave the company.
Have a search on pprune for a document called "guide to prospective ryanair pilots" and you will see exactly what tricks the play on joining pilots.You have had a lucky escape.count your blessings.

Guys...

Forget about Brookfield or Ryanair. I worked for both of them. They will promise you the base you want and at the last minute propose you a contract 5 on 4 off but with no fix base.... I have plenty of other examples...

Just make a search and you will find a lot of usefull informations.

If you need more details pls PM me...

Fly high:ok:

Pico

At what stage did you guys get your based/non based final contract?
As far as i know they ask you if you want one or the other and if you ask for a specific base they try to give it to you and in the worst case you will have to be based a few months elsewhere before getting what you want.

There are two types of Brookfield contract with Ryanair. If you are based you work a 5/4 pattern. This is 5 earlies, 4 days off, 5 lates, 4 days off etc..

Or you can have a non based contract where you work a 5/5 pattern. 5 earlies, 5 days off, 5 lates, 5 days off etc...

If you are travelling in Ryanair uniform as a Ryanair Brookfield pilot you do not pay for flights when positioning.

Most of the Brookfield pilots work from Stansted, Liverpool, Dublin, Rome, East Midlands, Bergamo, Frankfurt Hahn and Gerona.

Some pilots like the 5/5 pattern as if you live far away from mainland Europe it is easier to work a family life. So it is useful for Russians, Greeks etc...

Brookfield are based in Epsom Surrey in the UK. A Captain flying on a Brookfield 5/4 based contract for Ryanair doing 900 hours would earn gross EURO 112,500 per annum - and there is a charge of EURO 4,500 for training and recurrency costs per annum.

If you are in a base outside the UK or non-UK resident you are technically self employed and you pay your own tax.

Payment is made from Brookfield direct to your bank account on the 10th of the month following your flying.

Inveritas - been having a look at your false/ignorant postings this evening.Sure you are not wired to the propoganda machine.Facts and figures straight from the homepage.

Inveritas is most likely another stooge/phantom - he only joined pprune today!!!

These details are not from the Ryanair website where there are no details on Brookfield contract rates for Ryanair.

The details posted this evening on all items are complete and accurate.

They are inveritas!

How stupid of me,of course they are complete and accurate.My inverit-ass!
You really have to do better,good latin name though.Humpy?

Ryan
 

How much more do you really think you can get away with?

Most of us are wise to to you. I even know a guy who just resigned during his command upgrade. That is how badly you are perceived. Just take your money and leave the honest people to continue.

Even though what is said above has been refuted several times, this post gives a most misleading impression. So let's be absolutely clear here:

What you are promised at interview may, or may not, appear in your final contract. Contracts normally appear after you have no way out. If you express a wish for a particular base they may even guarantee you that you will get that base - and may then not give that base to you. In that case they tend to claim it is a temporary problem for a few months. I spoke to a colleague last night about this. His "temporary problem" with a promised base lasted for two years and when he brought it to a head it turned out that never got what he had been promised.

This does not mean that there is a Ryanair pilot out there who can truthfully say he got what he was promised. But it does say that what you are promised CANNOT be assumed to be entirely reliable (a statement which is true about a lot more than basing promises!).

inveritas you did not mention the many pilots who joined Ryanair on the basis (promise/understanding/belief) that they would become full-time employees and found themselves forced to become contractors. Viz: "sorry we have no full-time positions today at this particular time, so it is either no job or a contractor job in Dublin. Sorry those are my instructions. It is a take it or leave it offer."

I cannot honestly understand why any pilot would even consider a job at ryanair when there is such an overwhelming amount of evidence about how appallingly they treat their staff.

OK, not an FR-luvvie, but have to come a bit to their defence on this one...

a) Attended sim+interview @ EMA. No problems finding a slot that suited.
b) Was asked for base preference. Said LPL - was promised LPL, 5/4 (with 2 sub-clauses, 4 x 5/3 during the period Jan-Apr and 2 x 6/3 for recurrent.
c) Next day EMA admin are on the phone with confirmation that my base will be LPL
d) 1 week later, I recieve my contract pr. e-mail - for LPL-base, with 5/4 as described above
e) 1 week later, I have a signed copy of my contract.

I'm fully aware that they do not treat all their employees equally well, and their attitude towards the cadets is appalling - but in my case, the kept their promises, and all was above board. Although I did halfway expect my contract to come back with LPL clumsily erased and substituted for "Alma Ata" in large, childilsh, pencil handwriting :}

Empty

Have they honoured what is written in your contract?

The case of Empty Cruise is Ryanair game playing. Fair enough it worked out for him and good luck to him. However, the game is obvious to anyone even semi-intelligent. Sort of goes like this: "we'll treat most people like $hit, lie to them, mess them around etc etc. However, that's not good press so we'll give the odd person what was promised and use them (or let them do the shouting) to let everyone know how great Ryanair are and how we fulfil all promises."
It's the typical FR modus operandi of saying that their claims are the full truth because they may apply to a tiny minority, while of course the actual experiences of the majority aren't mentioned.
So you can either get taken in by it or hope you will become a model case for the propaganda machine or you can leave well enough alone.

camelhair - i am not so sure that it has worked out for him.Notoriously management have changed the contractual goalposts once the candidate is in a position of no return,where they it is less trouble to stay that when it to leave.time or empty cruise will tell us.

I wonder where our buddy LHC has gone? Maybe the demotion from LTC has knocked the Rose tinted specs off. Alas poor LEO I knew him well.

Not trying to make FR sound like an ideal employer...
 

...but they've stood by their word so far. I didn't join because I like the company, but because the base and package suited me. If any of their promises made but not entered into the contract are fulfilled, it's a bonus :E

Fully aware that this only applies to my particular circumstances, and not to everyones - I'm now part of a minority and am therefore very cautious about them, have money set aside for good legal assistance, have joined REPA and read the excellent "prospective employers guide". Main thing is, have not parted with any money :ok: and not in a situation where there is a PNR.

Of course, everybody is now teasing me with having become one of the Dark Lords evil minions... :( := :ugh:

Empty Cruise - I think you will enjoy the FR LPL base and your story is similar to others in FR right now. A colleague of mine base trained with FR on Thursday and he had just finished his type rating the previous week.

Aloue - I have met cadets who have been asked to go on Brookfield contracts and are flying from various bases. This is due to their being too many FO's in Ryanair and the young guys were not getting their flying hours at STN. As cadets the pay is better on a contract. A large number of new base positions will be available in the next six months with the arrival of 29 new aircraft.

Grim Repa - Do you actually work for Ryanair? If you don't - have you not heard things have changed?

why does not getting enough flying hours at stn necessitate becoming a contractor?Inveritass.These young guys are being FORCED to accept contracts and Forced to be based in dublin as part of a union breaking mechanism against the long term pilots in dublin who are taking an action against ryanair to enforce their contractual terms and conditions.once you are here more than a wet week,you will see the reality of how things have CHANGED.