easyjet basing policy
 

Hi!
Do you know if there is any chance that at easyjet they change their basing policy to take into account also nationality? e.g. so that a german has priority over non germans in the list for a german base? This seems reasonable, I think it would give more chances to new joiners to get a base at their home and therefore there would be more pilots willing to apply.
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No it is not reasnoble nor is it the policy of easyJet.

If you join you put your name on the transfer list and wait your turn.

Perhaps you should chill out. It was a reasonable question and you responded like an a$$... You don't even explain why it would not be reasonable in your mind - regardless of Easy's policy. I am sure you are fun to fly with... Cuffio, perhaps Ryan would suit you better.

Yeah, your attitude is MUCH better :D

yes probably it's not completely reasonable as there may well be pilots apllying from places where easy ha no bases, but what I mean is: there are different reasons for asking to be transferred to a certain base, some reasons are more "serious" than others. A serious reson may be:"I have a home and a family there so I would like to be based there" while a less serious reason could be:"I want to spend some months there because I like that plalce, their food, their wine, and their girls", It would be fair I think to give priority to those who have a "serious" reason for asking to be transferred over those who have not (while still keeping the first arrived first served basis). May be taking into account nationality is not the best way to do this but there must be a way to make everyone happy.

CUFFIO

EZY is a "european" company. If you are on a transferlist it does not matter which nationality. Because if you sign for the job, you should better know what you signed.
Even some of the english guys like it in Germany, whatever reason for. There are still some german pilots waiting for a transfer to germany for quite a while already.
But there is always movement in the network (leaving pilots, upgrades). You just can not rely on those issues!

Your choice!

Cuffio:

I find your attitude a bit strange. Why would being a certain nationality automatically grant you the right to move to the top of the transfer list? Surely, when you join a company you will go wherever they tell you to, and once your name is on the base transfer list, you will wait your turn to go there. The reason why you want to move to that particular base is entirely irrelevant.

Whilst I don't work for EZY, I work for a well known Irish company and things are the same there, for example at the GRO base. There are quite a few spaniards on the waiting list even though the base is full of Irish, Brits, etc who love it there? Why the hell should a Spaniard be given priority?

If you don't like this (very fair) way of doing things, I suggest you work for a German airline and stop whinging.

Guys, guys, he didn't know and so he asked!!

Unfortunately, a new entrant will be based solely where EZY want them based, and they can then apply to transfer. Depending on which base you want to go to and which type they operate, it can be a long, long wait, as some have found out!!

I think its a valid idea.
I know of plenty of guys who never applied simply because they don't want to move to the Island and leave everything - ranging from taste in clothing to good food- behind on the continent.:E

spot on ray! that's exactly what I mean. I'll probably apply as DEP but in case I pass and get offered the job but with a UK base for an indefinite time I probably wont accept (I could accept if they can grant transfer after max 6 months). easy offers far better conditions and career prospects than my present employer, but these alone can't compensate for the loss of family, friends, food, nice weather, sea etc... for an indefinite time.

Well, CUFFIO,

than "game over" for EZY considerations. All the best in your old job! Nobody in EZY will grant you 6 month max on the island!

cuffio,

I can understand that you didnt know so you asked, but I find your way of thinking quite bizarre, I dont know how your current employer works (if there is a seniority list or not) but although EZY dont have seniority lists, why should you get priority to be based in Germany solely on the fact your family is there?
In any company that you will join, if the thing you want is popular and in demand you will have to wait for it just like everyone else.

I must admit that I dont agree with EZYs actual basing policy for new commands, etc but I think its only fair that the longer you have been in the company the more priority you get.

My last question is, why didnt you join EZY a few years ago then you would have been at your base of choice by now?

Anyway good luck.

Bokkie

I am not CUFFIO, but
I believe quite alot of pilots in EZY nowadays have been lucky flying with their old company, until this company got bankrupted!? So why should they have joined EZY some years ago?
Look, how many ex AERO LLOYD pilots are flying with EZY. I am sure, not a lot have realy considered to join EZY some years ago!
But following the arguments of CUFFIO, I do not believe EZY will be his way.
Making more money is not the only argument!

My transfer to LTN was approved two months after starting. Almost no waiting list. Funny that ;)

P

Unfortunately for you CUFFIO, this is the sort of culture you are going to have to deal with on regular basis, if you dedcide to join.Not one person can answer a quesry.
From what I read on this post, nothing but Jumped up prats with no life but redy to tear your head off at any give instant and label you stupid, strange etc.Thats what happens when you dont get to see the sunshine,live in isolation on the island and have no clue as what being social means!

Give the guy a break and answer him,if you can, as there is no dumb question in Aviation!

Airamerica,

Thanks for your concerns about me being a "Jumped up prat with no life but ready to tear your head off at any given instant and label you stupid, strange etc. Thats what happens when you dont get to see the sunshine,live in isolation on the island and have no clue as what being social means!"
B
ut actually I do see the sunshine everyday and am very social, I havent worked for EZY for some time now but knew them quite well so before you go jumping both feet in first re-read the posts on this thread take a breather and then assess the situation, Cuffio asked a question about a company and people who are in the know gave him an answer for sure it wasnt the answer he was looking for but hey he got an answer....

As far as the guys from Aero Lloyd are concerned they are mainly at their base of choice apart from a few that tried doing contract work before they "eventually joined EZY" so are now stuck in an "unwanted" base.

Anyway, one last point Cuffio if you are thinking of joining EZY for money you need to closely asses whether the extra money will outweigh the reduction in lifestyle.

Good Luck

Not funny at all. If you look at the PULSE results, you know why you got fast to LTN and LGW (besides LGW expands rapidly).:rolleyes:
And furtheron, where are the highest "atritions" rates"?

And the guys from AERO LLOYD? One week after the bankruptcy EZY had a roadshow in FRA. And they admitted (of course, why not!) they are looking for the Airbus rated guys.
I personally believe, without the bankruptcy of AERO LLOYD they would not have opened SXF on time. That is why most of the AEF guys got a german base!

It is worth pointing out that the demise of Aero Lloyd was of mutual benefit to both the former pilots of said company and easyJet. Many of those pilots found almost immediate re-employment with easyJet at a time when job in German aviation were not in plentiful supply. This was particularly good news for skippers who picked up direct-entry commands, as did a number of senior First Officers.

Regarding Cuffio's question, the short answer is that easyJet is probably one of the most genuine 'equal opportunities' employers in the world. That means that nationality, race, sex or religion gets you no advantages or favours ahead of someone else. We have people at all levels in the company who represent every colour and creed. I have worked for several airlines and have never come across such genuine openness to anyone who has the right to live and work in Europe. The downside is that, in keeping with that policy, no national pilot gets basing preference over a non-national. I can understand the frustration, for example, that a German national must feel waiting for a Berlin base - knowing that there could be 3 Brits and a Dutchman in front of him on the transfer list! Such is life - I personally much prefer our system to the sort of thing that goes on throughout Asia and the Middle East (Switzerland also they tell me!) where 'foreigners' are expendable commodities who can be binned at a moment's notice to protect the interests of the 'locals'. EasyJet is not a perfect employer and has many issues to resolve, but in this department I personally think they are faultless. I believe in calling a spade a spade but I also believe in giving praise where praise is due - in this case it seems to me that easyJet are acting entirely appropriately.

I would hope that former Aero Lloyd pilots would have nothing but gratitude to easyJet. There is no doubt that the appearance of large numbers of quality A320-rated pilots on the market enabled easyJet to set up the SXF and DTM bases. What they have to remember is that the demise of Aero LLoyd created the opportunity for easyJet in the first place. Without easyJet, however, the lot of the Aero Lloyd pilots would have been very different. The opportunities within Germany at that time were not great - particularly if you wanted a direct entry command. Furthermore, there are now many ex-Aero Lloyd First Officers who would still be in the right seat but are now Captains at easyJet. EasyJet pay great money, particularly with the tax status of our German-based colleagues, and not surprisingly there is a long queue of people wanting to be based in Germany. That is not a failing of easyJet but rather a sign of the success of our operation there. The Aero Lloyd demise was a good deal for easyJet and a good deal for the former pilots.

Finally, although springbok449 has moved onto bigger and better things, he has a wide and accurate knowledge of easyJet. Those who criticise his writings would be better just listening to what he has to say.

NSF

well balanced report of the ex AERO LLOYD pilots.:ok:

Until now, only one ex AEF pilot has left EZY. Also, AirBerlin, is sitting right next door!
But, who would like to join AirBerlin in exchange to EZY?! Not everything is easy at EASY. Lot issues to be solved. At the moment it looks at least, as the right direction hase been choosen!

I was just being sarcastic, you'd have to be blind to wonder why not many people want LTN...

[QUOTE=Norman Stanley Fletcher]
...easyJet is probably one of the most genuine 'equal opportunities' employers in the world. That means that nationality, race, sex or religion gets you no advantages or favours ahead of someone else. We have people at all levels in the company who represent every colour and creed...

Oh beautiful, how political correct. You get another three points extra !

I definitely support Cuffio, when he is more or less asking for some more fairness:
At another place, we also read about easy being an "european" airline, so that nationality does not count ! ?
and from above that easy is the equal opportunities player in the game.

But how does this fit with the mandatory start at an english base . . . not to forget that you will all your time keep a "nominated" or "original" home base, which will be by definition an english one ! ?
Also, what does it mean that you have this great opportunity (within the equal opportunity) to be at home every night - when you have to leave your real home for a far away so called home base, and never get back ? ? ?

F a i r in this sense would mean that, of course, you have to take up the next open position - wherever it is (not mandatory in England) and thereafter, when bases become available, that people being really "at home" at that place will be given some kind op chance (maybe 50% or so)

Keep in mind, this story about "You are at home every night" is only for cost saving - and not to give crews a better lifestyle at Waikiki Beach

Fair means that, of course, nobody at any base would be replaced "only because of some local guys". Everyone has the "priority" to stay where he is (or she).

But for new positions or even new bases, it would be fair to consider crews originating from this area in a "fair" percentage as well as "lifestylers" (sorry for that, I don't mean anyone personally).

Then, and only then, this a.m. phrase would be given a chance to become true: you are "at home" every night.
Otherwise, it is pure cynism.

By the way, all this has nothing to do with "favours" for some nationalities - it would simply be "fair" and equal opportunity

Happy landings so far

[QUOTE=silverfox6]Not true, plenty of guys joined at a European base from day 1...

Gee Silverfox6, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think!

Looks like someone has missed out on their (european) base of choice and is having a real whinge. You need to check your facts before you start shooting your mouth off. It is fairly obvious you don't know the first thing about the EJ basing policy for new joiners or current employees because by your definition of FAIR

EJ meets your test.

Once you are in you get preference over the new joiners as to base and you can join the queue at any time. Just put your towel down, save your space and wait your turn like everyone else.

If you don't like it don't sign the contract, stop whinging and find a job in the country that you want to live in (if you can) without having a go at a company that provides employment for a significant amount of flight crew throughout Europe, without prejudice.

[QUOTE=silverfox6]One assumes you meant the British Isles when you said England as you were referring to the Islands off the coast of Europe.:ugh:
There are bases in Scotland & Northern Ireland that took in new joiners and both areas are definitely not English.
Proud to be British. :)

silverfox6 - I realise that English is not your first language, and I therefore assume you have not understood what has already been written. At the risk of repeating myself, no one at easyJet gets any advantage whatsoever from being of a particular nationality. That is FAIR - not some half-baked scheme to put those with vested interests ahead of everyone else in the queue. I am delighted to see that this is how easyJet operates - it is transparent and should be even more so in the future. There is no doubt that in the past the transfer list was set in concrete - but the concrete remained wet! I believe in recent times that has been less of the case - although undoubtedly defficiencies still exist. This is yet another advantage of a strong BALPA.

Also, regarding your statement that easyJet has a policy of 'mandatory start at an English base' - you are totally wrong. If you take a job with easyJet you go where the vacancies are - that may be an English, Scottish, Irish, French, German or Italian base. If that happens to be somewhere in England then that is where you will go. Inevitably, with so many bases in England, the statistical chances are that you will go there but that is not guaranteed. As a new starter you should go right to the bottom of the pile - that is FAIR. You then take your turn and wait for a vacancy at your chosen base. The more popular bases will be over-subscribed, so you may have to wait a long time for the base of your choice such are the laws of supply and demand. If you do not like the system you should not join - it is clear and unambiguous what the deal is.

[QUOTE=ScottieProud to be British. :)[/QUOTE]
You like PTs e-mails, dont you? :) ("Proud to be part of it")

Fair basing policy?
 

NSF is quite correct when he states that no one is given preference come nationality and bases with easyjet.

But I do beg to differ with his and bloggs2`s statements where they state:"you sign on to the list, you wait your turn and when your number is up, you will be at your base of choice.

For quite some time, I was top of the list for my preferred base.
New joiners, both rated and non-rated, became accepted ahead of me for over 6 months. Numerous calls and queries were made to the people in charge, but every time there was a different excuse.

The only sensible option was to find employment elsewhere.
We were quite a few who left the last 2 years due to this complete mismanagment of base allocations.

And managment wonder why turnover is high?

BLE, you have my deepest sympathies at the corrupt and unfair treatment you received. I would not disagree with any of your statements, but I do belive that what I have said is correct in that this is what occurs now. It is most unfortunate that others like yourself had to suffer because of someone else's misguided efforts to look after a mate or whatever, but we should nonetheless rejoice at the considerable progress that has been made since your departure. The issue of new joiners being given preference over current employees has been a totally unacceptable feature of life at easyJet for years - hence my previous reference to things being set in the concrete but the concrete remains wet! Nonetheless, in recent times the shambles of the Transfer List, which was open to overt abuse, has been gradually attacked and what we have now is more transparent. Personally, I would feel considerably happier if both the Transfer and Command lists were available on the intranet, and people could then know exactly where they were on their respective lists. This would remove any doubt as to whether a 'slight of hand' may have taken place - because in the past it certainly did. Nevertheless, this is the classic advantage of a strong BALPA who can hammer away, bit by bit, and sort out the inequalities of life which ultimately make people leave.

Thank you NSF, and I`m happy for you and all my friends at ej that flight ops managment has changed to the better.
It looks like rosters are improving as well, just hope BALPA can push hard enough for some proper pension agreements.
Until then, ej will remain a stepping stone for most young pilots and a nice, but hard, retirement job for ex-BA pilots.
I enjoy my present company a lot, we have an excellent rosters and leave policy, good pension and skilled managment. Having to ride right seat for quite some time again is probably the only drawback, but in the grand scheme of things, completely acceptable.
Good luck at making ej a career airline, you should try to make your way into managment!:ok:

Basing policy
 

[QUOTE=Norman Stanley Fletcher]silverfox6 - I realise that English is not your first language, and I therefore assume you have not understood . . .

Pretty arrogant, isn't it ?

For you (and maybe some others) once again the official basing policy - as drawn from EasyJet website

OK, I have to admit I made a mistake by taking "England" for "UK".
sorry for that.

Our basing policy
All easyJet flight-crew are employed on UK contracts and are assigned a permanent UK base.
Where crews are ultimately based outside of the UK, it is on a ‘seconded’ basis.

These are the facts. So, I really would like to know, what I did not "understand" ! ?
Maybe you just did not even think about my arguments a split of a second.
UK is UK and not Europe - also when we talk about contracts and bases and so on
And for foreigners UK still is not "at home". . .

silverfox
you seem most unhappy about all sympathetic comments regarding your predicament, so I conclude that you are not after sympathy from this forum.
The many contributors, to a greater or lesser extent, have tried to sympathise and let you know what they think / know.
A good deal of individuals in the UK (apparently not part of Europe!) are not based at their 1st, 2nd, or 3rd choice of base living hundreds of miles away from their homes and families. Some get home as much as those who live in Holland, France, Germany etc (Europe!).
If all you can do in reply is attack those who offer you help then perhaps you should either go on a CRM course or do someting else!
Get a Grip!

Silverfox6, you really need to take a pill. You have the first line of the basing policy correct.However it would be possible to get a European base on first joining but only if the transfer list for that base was empty and no-one already in the company was waiting to go there. I stand to be corrected by others with more knowledge of this than myself (which wouldn't be hard). The whole uk contracts and seconded stuff sounds like legalese to me, and probably has something to do with EJ being a UK company. If you bothered to read a bit further the web site went on to explain...

Which I think is pretty self expanatory and also fair for a company of EJ's size. I don't know what else can be said to you, apart from if you can't figure it out from this then you are reading it the way you want it to be for some reason.

Enough said...

Silverfox6 - my quote about English not being your first language was a polite way of telling you that you are making problems when there are none. Bloggs2's last post plus the stuff already written seem crystal clear to me.

Let's try again. You go wherever easyJet send you when you join the company. Once you start work for easyJet you apply for the base you really want to be at. You are then given a number on a Transfer List. You position on the Transfer List is solely based on the date you asked for a transfer and is not dependent on your sex, nationality, religious beliefs, political affiliation or the school your dad went to. When your turn comes, and a vacancy appears at the base of your choice, you go and work there. It really is very straight forward.

My best advice to you is not to apply.

Silverfox6, may I ask who sucked the jam out of your donut???..:rolleyes:
The policy stated on the website is pretty much just that, a statement.
ej managment do what they need to, because they can. Somtimes their actions are contrary to their statements, welcome to aviation!
I second NSF, don`t apply.
If you`re already inside, get out or get quiet.:=

Well, this thread is gettig personel. SILVERFOX obviously has a different view. WE tried to explain. He does not accept our view.
I see no reason for words used as by BLE.

Does not give a "brilliant view" of EZY pilots. Or do we communicate as pilots like this??:confused:

SILVERFOX, I would not try to join EZY with your expactations!

Thanks, Kraut !
Obviously these guys forgot what this thread was about: the idea or question of "cuffio", if homers should be given some preference against lifestylers (or whatever). Why the hell should this idea not be reasonable, at least to talk about ?
I simply did not like the tenor of some of these "answers" - which were pretty "nose high".
The best of all is NSF, who always gives lectures - instead of contributing to the DISCUSSION. Then, he calls me "unable to understand" - and finally calls himself "polite" for doing so.
That's not amusing at all.

It is also funny to hear that e.g. bloggs2 takes my pointing on the "given rules" regarding contracts and bases as some legal stuff only. . . Interesting that the contractual status is "only" something legal you don't have to consider - or what ?
And because of that, Silverfox is totally wrong, aha !
(so why did they stress all these political phrases like "European company", when it is in fact and at the end of the day straight forward UK?)

I would really recommend NSF + others to sit down and think about the matter of a DISCUSSION and not continously and simply teach about and praise their published rules in every possible detail.
...and of course, not to call anybody who has a different OPINION a sick person.
that's also not amusing

Kraut, I think you will find BLE's quote was meant to be a simile/metaphor (its in the dictionary) as to silverfox's outlook on this particular discussion. It doesn't read as a personal attack, nor is this. By the way, I wish my German was as good as both your and silverfox's English!

Silverfox, read Kraut's post again, he isn't agreeing with you, just expressing surprise at the tone of the disagreement as he understood it. I tried to explain that the basing policy isn't as UK centred as you perceive it to be, and overall it has evolved into something a lot better than it was and reasonably fair to all. You obviously don't want to see it as such, so i can agree to disagree, if you can.

For others interested in this topic it isn't as bad as it is portayed by some. It isn't perfect, but once you are in you just have to wait in line for the base of choice to come up.

Hm, looking in my dictionary ( an ordinary one) I do not find that wording used by BLE in any context at all.:confused:
If I should be wrong, I stand corrected. Just dont like "unfriendly words" in discussions, also contrary.

But the main point still is valid:

EZY basing policy is: join the que!

(a policy, which is however obviously not quite transparent to everybody!?)

Kraut

The word that bloggs2 was refering to that is in the dictionary was simile/metaphor.

The phrase "who took the jam out of your donut" is not rude, it is basically saying, "calm down, why are you so upset?"

SW

OK, guys,

I am learning every day! Will try this wording on an official occasion with AH, PT, JP, should they jump on me!:)