virgin f/o's
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virgin f/o's
Hi all, would any current virgin fo's be prepared to tell me what their average monthly take home salary, including allowances and pension deductions but excluding any voluntary deductions. is.
I'm sure its obvious why I might be asking. Also if anyone would like to comment on the current industrial relations climate in VS, this would be gratefully read. Many thanks in advance.
I'm sure its obvious why I might be asking. Also if anyone would like to comment on the current industrial relations climate in VS, this would be gratefully read. Many thanks in advance.
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I am a year 5 F/O the A340. My take home after tax, pension etc is 2480 pounds. This figure can vary by about 200 quid depending on your pension contributions and day off payments etc. We have an on going dispute with the co. at the moment over pay which will be resolved one way or the other in the coming months. Good routes, nice girls and about 14 days off per month. Long time to command though. I am about 2 years away, and new joiners should work on about 10-12 years at least. Hope this helps.
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Anybody out there having recently been invited for an interview with VS. What was your level of experience (total, Airbus 3xx?)
I have a total of 3800
A330 1000
A320 1600
MD11 1000
Could that be sufficient to hope for an invitation to an interview?
I Know it is running slow for the moment due to the Irak conflict. Just interested if there might be a chance afterwards having my CV already on file.
I have a total of 3800
A330 1000
A320 1600
MD11 1000
Could that be sufficient to hope for an invitation to an interview?
I Know it is running slow for the moment due to the Irak conflict. Just interested if there might be a chance afterwards having my CV already on file.
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Pay is the same regardless of fleet. As a year 1 F/O, expect to net £2200 a month after pension deductions. Allowances are paid in local currency, about 120 USD for the first night, a bit less for subsequent nights.
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Yep the pay on the -400 is the same. The allowances vary considerably at each destination average about 400 pounds per month of which about 300 quid gets spent down route in my case. This obviously varies on how much beer you drink etc.
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£2280's the most I've ever taken home before day-off payments (yr 5), though I do pay the max 15% pension (thus don't have to give it to the ex!). I seem to have done a bit better than Pnooze on allowances, averaging just over £500 monthly over the last year or so. Just as well - I have to take most of mine home! Roll on the pay restructuring - if Gulf War 2 doesn't screw it all up.
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767/300er, you'll require both of those mate. However unless you're unemployed at the moment I'd think carefully. Like Scroggs I've been there 6 years, now possibly another 2/3 before a crack at a command course, maybe even longer as the current pay offer is an attempt to get us to become a 850 hr outfit.
the current management plan is to not increase the pilot establishment beyond what is strictly necessary.
Now, look at those pay numbers too. To live in the south east of england where we're based approx £1000 or more will be required a month to enter the property market. That plus a NEED to put in the max into our laughable pension scheme doesn't leave you much in the land of expensive petrol and the new £3 pound pint.
As for the girls, ah those were the days, but not sadly as much these days.
I gues that there are plenty of other outfits that would take a guy with your exp. and pay you better. However I'll gladly get a round in lagos if you come.
good luck
the current management plan is to not increase the pilot establishment beyond what is strictly necessary.
Now, look at those pay numbers too. To live in the south east of england where we're based approx £1000 or more will be required a month to enter the property market. That plus a NEED to put in the max into our laughable pension scheme doesn't leave you much in the land of expensive petrol and the new £3 pound pint.
As for the girls, ah those were the days, but not sadly as much these days.
I gues that there are plenty of other outfits that would take a guy with your exp. and pay you better. However I'll gladly get a round in lagos if you come.
good luck
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I usually take home £2800-2900- as a first officer on the old Go contract........
i didn't realise Virgin where badly paid? I was hoping to apply! Do you enjoy your jobs with Virgin? And how secure do you think VS will be through another war?
Thanks
i didn't realise Virgin where badly paid? I was hoping to apply! Do you enjoy your jobs with Virgin? And how secure do you think VS will be through another war?
Thanks
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Thanks for all the replies folks. Can I just get one clarification. It seems that the average take home in the bank is about 2300 gbp, can you just confirm that the duty pay which is paid in usd is on top of that. ie your total in the pocket each month, so long as its not spent on beer, is about 2600gbp ish. cheers,
oh by the way, if it does all go belly up in the middle east, does anyone know if the company has contingency plans for any contraction in the business? I realise that this is a big concern to us all, but I work in a different segment of the market at the moment so my take on the situation may be different.
987654, my experience level similar to yours.
oh by the way, if it does all go belly up in the middle east, does anyone know if the company has contingency plans for any contraction in the business? I realise that this is a big concern to us all, but I work in a different segment of the market at the moment so my take on the situation may be different.
987654, my experience level similar to yours.
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Southwest? You'd be better off at RyanAir or EZJet. Same type of operation with probably the same pay compensation---B-737s only, up and down 6x per day, short overnights and only $2500 USD to start monthly!
As far as American air carriers hiring foreign nationals, I can positively confirm it is true. There are many Irish, German, Fillipino, Indian, Canadian, French and others working for American and United.
Having flown VS and thoroughly enjoying the flights, I would gladly work for them if they'd hire Yanks. You must understand, since 9-11, there are over 8000+ furloughed/laid-off pilots from large US carriers looking for a minute number of jobs. I'm now one of them.
As far as American air carriers hiring foreign nationals, I can positively confirm it is true. There are many Irish, German, Fillipino, Indian, Canadian, French and others working for American and United.
Having flown VS and thoroughly enjoying the flights, I would gladly work for them if they'd hire Yanks. You must understand, since 9-11, there are over 8000+ furloughed/laid-off pilots from large US carriers looking for a minute number of jobs. I'm now one of them.
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Macman,
You need to get over it. There are large numbers of Brits at both AA and UA. Far greater as a percentage, I would reckon, than Yanks at Virgin. I can't even count the number of European nationals I've worked with (or been married to) in the last 20 years. One way street my arse!
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You need to get over it. There are large numbers of Brits at both AA and UA. Far greater as a percentage, I would reckon, than Yanks at Virgin. I can't even count the number of European nationals I've worked with (or been married to) in the last 20 years. One way street my arse!
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There certainly are plenty of Brits and Europeans working in the USA, and they'll have got there by one of three ways:
1) Getting their Green Card sponsored by an employer because their skills are in short supply and staffed cannot be sourced in the USA - doesn't happen for pilots.
2) Getting their Green Card granted by the US Government from the annual quota for oppressed countries or those with special ties to the USA (eg Poland, Italy, Ireland) - doesn't apply to Brits.
3) Having acquired American citizenship by birth or through marriage to an American (in which case they would have to renounce their previous citizenship), or by being granted 'resident alien' status through marriage.
So there you are, all you gotta do is marry an American and the chance to work for UA/AA will be yours. Yanks, you're more than welcome to come over here and try for a job, you just gotta marry a citizen of the EU, acquire European citizenship and convert your licence to a JAA one. Couldn't be simpler!
1) Getting their Green Card sponsored by an employer because their skills are in short supply and staffed cannot be sourced in the USA - doesn't happen for pilots.
2) Getting their Green Card granted by the US Government from the annual quota for oppressed countries or those with special ties to the USA (eg Poland, Italy, Ireland) - doesn't apply to Brits.
3) Having acquired American citizenship by birth or through marriage to an American (in which case they would have to renounce their previous citizenship), or by being granted 'resident alien' status through marriage.
So there you are, all you gotta do is marry an American and the chance to work for UA/AA will be yours. Yanks, you're more than welcome to come over here and try for a job, you just gotta marry a citizen of the EU, acquire European citizenship and convert your licence to a JAA one. Couldn't be simpler!