Easyjet make £72m profit
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From: Peoples Republic of EU
Colonel Klink,
You are the fool
Under your analogy you can compare us to train drivers and bus drivers who through their negligence can kill many hundreds of people
You are the fool
Under your analogy you can compare us to train drivers and bus drivers who through their negligence can kill many hundreds of people
Last edited by Scottie; 29th November 2002 at 14:08.
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From: Northern Ireland
How could you ever compare a pilot to a "let's say, a surgeon"??
A pilot transfers cargo and/or people from A to B.
A Surgeon saves people lives, puts limbs back where they should be etc. etc. etc.
A pilot compares to a bus driver, a tube driver, a train driver, a cabbie or one of those guys with a rickshaw.
The only difference is, they can cook their own food!
A pilot transfers cargo and/or people from A to B.
A Surgeon saves people lives, puts limbs back where they should be etc. etc. etc.
A pilot compares to a bus driver, a tube driver, a train driver, a cabbie or one of those guys with a rickshaw.
The only difference is, they can cook their own food!
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Bacon Torpedo how could you compare a pilot to a bus driver etc?
Methinks you are on the wind up.
BTB tries compare a pilot to a surgeon but I think there is no basis for a comparison.
A surgeons task carries infinitely more risk to the one individual he's operating on, after all risk on most major surgery runs at about a 2% fatality rate. Most of us wouldn't put ourselves into the air if it carried a 2% risk of death
However I work for the same employer as BTB and probably Colonel Klink and I fully sympathise with their sentiments.
Methinks you are on the wind up.
BTB tries compare a pilot to a surgeon but I think there is no basis for a comparison.
A surgeons task carries infinitely more risk to the one individual he's operating on, after all risk on most major surgery runs at about a 2% fatality rate. Most of us wouldn't put ourselves into the air if it carried a 2% risk of death
However I work for the same employer as BTB and probably Colonel Klink and I fully sympathise with their sentiments.
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From: Allendale, Northumberland
Scottie and Bacon: what on earth are you doing on this forum? You are plainly not Professional, or pilots. How dare you idiots compare us to bus or lorry drivers? Do they payup to £60000 to get thier HGV`s or PSV`s? Do they work up to 15 hours without a break? Do they arrive at the bus terminal at 180mph in thick fog? Do they carry enough fuel to incinerate a large town? Do they have regular shift patterns, but can be changed at a whim by crewing to a pattern 12 hours out of synch? And do they get a break every few hours because it is considered ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY FOR SAFETY! You idiots.
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From: West London
If I might venture an opinion 
Most of this discussion in the negative seems to suggest that the pay deal is held up by a lack of funds. I don't think that this is the case. The pay deal offered by the company is a pay rise for GO (or rise in T's & C's) and a cut in same for easyjet pilots.
I think the sticking point in the whole negotitation is a rostering agreement. With a decent rostering agreement we might be prepared to cook ocassionally and accept the 3% that is being offered. Without it our heels will dig in and lets face it we are only asking for something reasonable in the light of accepting the abuse of CAP371 for the last several years to get the airline into the position that it is now. There are in fact opportunities for win/win in terms of cost if the management arre serious about exploring different rostering practices.
I do not wish to compare myself to a surgeon because I can't do his job and he can't do mine. In fact the only similarity I can think of is that they (the surgeons) are also in a dispute over pay and conditions!
End of opinion!
Most of this discussion in the negative seems to suggest that the pay deal is held up by a lack of funds. I don't think that this is the case. The pay deal offered by the company is a pay rise for GO (or rise in T's & C's) and a cut in same for easyjet pilots.
I think the sticking point in the whole negotitation is a rostering agreement. With a decent rostering agreement we might be prepared to cook ocassionally and accept the 3% that is being offered. Without it our heels will dig in and lets face it we are only asking for something reasonable in the light of accepting the abuse of CAP371 for the last several years to get the airline into the position that it is now. There are in fact opportunities for win/win in terms of cost if the management arre serious about exploring different rostering practices.
I do not wish to compare myself to a surgeon because I can't do his job and he can't do mine. In fact the only similarity I can think of is that they (the surgeons) are also in a dispute over pay and conditions!
End of opinion!
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From: UK
NG73, I'm surprised to hear that Go pilots are to receive a rise. I had thought that EJ Captains were paid marginally less than Go, and FOs considerably less, thus not much change for EJ Capts but a substantial rise for EJ FOs.
Yes, ets all stand up for a decent (human) rostering agreement.
Surgeons? When they have no overtime and can work 24/7/365, locked in the theatre unfed for 12 hrs a time and have five checks per year upon which their continued employment depends I'll listen to their case. Until then, I know who's on the hind tit...don't you?
Yes, ets all stand up for a decent (human) rostering agreement.
Surgeons? When they have no overtime and can work 24/7/365, locked in the theatre unfed for 12 hrs a time and have five checks per year upon which their continued employment depends I'll listen to their case. Until then, I know who's on the hind tit...don't you?
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From: uk
Puzzle me this....
It took you guys a while to figure out that Bacon Torpedo is on the wind up
As for profits vs. rewards I can only say that greed is alive and well and the only ones in this for the long haul (pilots) will by their own volition be shafted. Do not accept a degradation in T & C's as you'll never get them back. MJBD hit the nail on the head with crew food, it is a SAFETY issue with nothing to do with extra money in your pockets. If the company seriously wants to save money then perhaps the free Friday night BBQ at easyland could have a pay-as-you-drink system. In real terms pilots conditions have deterioated in the last 20 years - its time to stop this trend and it doesnt mean shafting your own company. Wake up and smell the coffee boys and good luck!!
It took you guys a while to figure out that Bacon Torpedo is on the wind up
As for profits vs. rewards I can only say that greed is alive and well and the only ones in this for the long haul (pilots) will by their own volition be shafted. Do not accept a degradation in T & C's as you'll never get them back. MJBD hit the nail on the head with crew food, it is a SAFETY issue with nothing to do with extra money in your pockets. If the company seriously wants to save money then perhaps the free Friday night BBQ at easyland could have a pay-as-you-drink system. In real terms pilots conditions have deterioated in the last 20 years - its time to stop this trend and it doesnt mean shafting your own company. Wake up and smell the coffee boys and good luck!!
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From: Luton Beds UK
Well, before working for EZY, I had a long-term job with a national carrier. Things went well and salaries did increase. Late on, when they went bad, we took a cut in pay. The trick is to keep the pilots thinking they are expensive, whereas in the fixed costs, the pay they receive is a smaller fraction than you would think.
By the way, that national carrier went bust, as a result of gross misinvestment in failing airlines - the boys up front had nowt to do with it.
Internal squabbling doesn't help a united civilised front to management, which is what is needed here, rather than rising to the bait thrown down by the pork sword of an Irish pig in the posts above...
By the way, that national carrier went bust, as a result of gross misinvestment in failing airlines - the boys up front had nowt to do with it.
Internal squabbling doesn't help a united civilised front to management, which is what is needed here, rather than rising to the bait thrown down by the pork sword of an Irish pig in the posts above...
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Dog,
Yeah, the Bin man didn't help but that airline was bleeding to death very fast anyway - still a few skeletons in the cupboard there too.
In fact the troubles there started five years back with compulsory retirements at 55 - got caught in that one. Wasn't all bad though got three orange years during the expansion and met some very nice people doing a good job.
Yeah, the Bin man didn't help but that airline was bleeding to death very fast anyway - still a few skeletons in the cupboard there too.
In fact the troubles there started five years back with compulsory retirements at 55 - got caught in that one. Wasn't all bad though got three orange years during the expansion and met some very nice people doing a good job.
