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Has anyone else seen the article in Flight this week. CTC train you for your license ( 2 years without pay) then you join an airline for 7 YEARS as a Cadet Pilot. ( No doubt they then train you for a command followed by 7 years as a Cadet Captain)
A Train driver on the Underground earns £30,000 a year. When will people stop using these people?
A Train driver on the Underground earns £30,000 a year. When will people stop using these people?
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I'm sorry to say that you are correct and some of them were sponsored by Britannia in the 60's. At the time you paid back a quarter of the cost over 4 years.
I'm sorry to say that you are correct and some of them were sponsored by Britannia in the 60's. At the time you paid back a quarter of the cost over 4 years.
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Gents
I have recently joined the forum and have read your comments regarding the CTC sponsorship, like thousands of other wannabes I will be applying when the applications are put online on Monday.
Could anyone put down further words of wisdow and advice regarding this 'type' of sponsorship?
I appreciate that this threads has probably been ground to death in another forum but I would really appreciate the perspective from the pilots who know the score.
Cheers
I have recently joined the forum and have read your comments regarding the CTC sponsorship, like thousands of other wannabes I will be applying when the applications are put online on Monday.
Could anyone put down further words of wisdow and advice regarding this 'type' of sponsorship?
I appreciate that this threads has probably been ground to death in another forum but I would really appreciate the perspective from the pilots who know the score.
Cheers
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Hi,
If you are fortunate enough to be selected as a cadet then my advice would be to go for it. Great training, great prospects and I am sure a long and enjoyable career ahead.
Rgds.
If you are fortunate enough to be selected as a cadet then my advice would be to go for it. Great training, great prospects and I am sure a long and enjoyable career ahead.
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CTC offer excellent training, and are not a scam organisation.
British Airways are the only airline offering an alternative full sponsorship. With them I believe that you don't get paid for the duration of the course but get some pocket money. Then you join them as a Cadet Pilot starting on somewhere around £20k.
I don't know what the airlines that CTC are finding cadets for are paying, but I suspect it will be a reasonable deal.
I see some people are saying don't do it, but look at the alternative. You self sponsor, pay the £60k yourself, do a full time course, don't get paid for the 18-24 months of the course and then come out the other end with no job.
Spend the next x months out of work and losing currency. Or perhaps spend further money either getting an instructors rating and working for peanuts or paying to gain more hours.
I agree that 7 years as a Cadet pilot is a long time but paying back £70k (full ATPL plus jet type rating) over 7 years means you should "only" lose about £10k a year on pay.
On the previous CTC schemes the money came out in the students favour by quite some margin and I suspect this will do the same.
If I was still a wannabe I would be first in the queue for an application form from CTC.
But I am not. I was taken on by CTC previously, with a (very) newly issued CPL. One month later I was flying the Airbus as First Officer. As were the others on my course. You cannot say the training is bad if they can take raw recruits with zero experience other than bare minimum single pilot light aircraft flying and get them to the point of starting line training in less than one month. That included learning all the company SOPs from scratch, learning to fly 2 crew, taking the type exams and passing the type rating itself. 20 sectors later we were all signed off from line training and let loose.
If anyone else would like to comment, please tell us your experiences training through CTC. I am sure for wannabes this sort of comment is the most useful.
British Airways are the only airline offering an alternative full sponsorship. With them I believe that you don't get paid for the duration of the course but get some pocket money. Then you join them as a Cadet Pilot starting on somewhere around £20k.
I don't know what the airlines that CTC are finding cadets for are paying, but I suspect it will be a reasonable deal.
I see some people are saying don't do it, but look at the alternative. You self sponsor, pay the £60k yourself, do a full time course, don't get paid for the 18-24 months of the course and then come out the other end with no job.
Spend the next x months out of work and losing currency. Or perhaps spend further money either getting an instructors rating and working for peanuts or paying to gain more hours.
I agree that 7 years as a Cadet pilot is a long time but paying back £70k (full ATPL plus jet type rating) over 7 years means you should "only" lose about £10k a year on pay.
On the previous CTC schemes the money came out in the students favour by quite some margin and I suspect this will do the same.
If I was still a wannabe I would be first in the queue for an application form from CTC.
But I am not. I was taken on by CTC previously, with a (very) newly issued CPL. One month later I was flying the Airbus as First Officer. As were the others on my course. You cannot say the training is bad if they can take raw recruits with zero experience other than bare minimum single pilot light aircraft flying and get them to the point of starting line training in less than one month. That included learning all the company SOPs from scratch, learning to fly 2 crew, taking the type exams and passing the type rating itself. 20 sectors later we were all signed off from line training and let loose.
If anyone else would like to comment, please tell us your experiences training through CTC. I am sure for wannabes this sort of comment is the most useful.
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Airbus Girl,
Like you, I was a CTC Cadet. I joined jmc on a 757.
CTC and jmc were and are I believe still excellent.
The jmc scheme will pay you about £17.5k in the first year in this new cadet guise I believe.
I paid CTC £200 and that is all to get on the scheme all those years ago. And I joined jmc on £29.9k.
True, i had paid my own £50k at Oxford, but at least i joined on full pay.
Go for it for the training, but for god's sake do not ask for any Southern base. You won't be able to pay for your petrol to work let alone a mortgage on the starting pay........
CTC though are a great training outfit, and if you get in you will have done well. Good luck.
Like you, I was a CTC Cadet. I joined jmc on a 757.
CTC and jmc were and are I believe still excellent.
The jmc scheme will pay you about £17.5k in the first year in this new cadet guise I believe.
I paid CTC £200 and that is all to get on the scheme all those years ago. And I joined jmc on £29.9k.
True, i had paid my own £50k at Oxford, but at least i joined on full pay.
Go for it for the training, but for god's sake do not ask for any Southern base. You won't be able to pay for your petrol to work let alone a mortgage on the starting pay........
CTC though are a great training outfit, and if you get in you will have done well. Good luck.
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As a cadet, you are right, it is an attractive way of getting yourself quickly onto the flightdeck. Just don't winge ten years later when you feel you are underpaid as a pilot and airlines are taking on considerably less experienced pilots who are willing to work for less than the going rate to get that foot on the ladder.
There are anumber of IRE/TREs in customer airlines who don't look at CTC with quite such rose-tinted spectacles.
I stand by my original comment that they have some excellent instructors and some god awful ones as well.
There are anumber of IRE/TREs in customer airlines who don't look at CTC with quite such rose-tinted spectacles.
I stand by my original comment that they have some excellent instructors and some god awful ones as well.
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Dear all
thanks for your advice and comments which I have found most encouraging. I am on my way to CTC for second stage tomorrow, so fingers crossed. I received a call from them this morning to ask if I would be available for 3rd and 4th phase selection next week if successful in stage 2......its all happening at a rate of knots.
Anyway have a great christmas all of you, I will let you know how it goes
Cheers
Dirk
thanks for your advice and comments which I have found most encouraging. I am on my way to CTC for second stage tomorrow, so fingers crossed. I received a call from them this morning to ask if I would be available for 3rd and 4th phase selection next week if successful in stage 2......its all happening at a rate of knots.
Anyway have a great christmas all of you, I will let you know how it goes
Cheers
Dirk
