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EASYJET What are they like to work for?

Old 3rd Dec 2002, 11:17
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I have been offered a job with easyJet and was quite enthusiastic to accept, but now I am having serious second thoughts.
It seems a lot of what we were told at interview was not entirely accurate.
Methinks I need to reassess my options. Thank god for pprune.
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Old 3rd Dec 2002, 18:39
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hotnhi,how long did it take for them to reply?What was your preferred base?
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Old 3rd Dec 2002, 21:21
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Don't allow the postings of a few highly disillusioned and unhappy people cloud your views, remember the warnings on this site about people with hidden adgendas and the chinese wisper effect. Granted there is no smoke without fire and easyJet pilots are involved in a prolonged dispute with management over terms and conditions ( not alot new there) but don't forget EZY are making moneyand they currently employ some 750 pilots, with more joining monthly. They are offering sponsorships for those with little or no experience as well as those with limited exposure and aim to be operating 44 B737-700 and 96 A319 by 2007.

There is a lot to look forward to
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Old 3rd Dec 2002, 23:37
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If by ' a few highly disillushioned and unhappy people...' you mean practically every Luton based pilot for starters, then you might have a point.

I strongly object to your disingenuous comment about hidden agendas and the chinese whisper effect. I personally have no hidden agenda other than to foolishly expect a reasonable attitude from my employer.

Easyjet has fast become a rotten company where the word reasonable is no longer recognised or respected.

The people who read this board are not as stupid as you like to think. Ask yourself, are all these negative threads/posts about Easyjet from the few peed off pilots that every company has, or does it maybe stand out a little?

It's not a chinese whisper - its an angry shout!!!!!

Oh and you might recognise this quote from the company forum last month.

Meanwhile as the uncertainty continues more people show their dissatisfaction and leave for pastures new!

Hidden agendas you say - looks like you might be right.

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Old 4th Dec 2002, 00:38
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Well said Flanker. Some people are still wearing the orange tinted spectacles they were brainwashed into wearing when they joined. It is time they took them off and had a look at reality.
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Old 4th Dec 2002, 12:42
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There is a lot to look forward to
What exactly?
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Old 4th Dec 2002, 13:07
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2 questions:

what are salaries like ?

Isn't 6 days ON 3 days OFF a bit harsh (Ryanair at 5 days ON 3 days OFF, others at 4 ON 3 OFF) ?
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Old 4th Dec 2002, 14:52
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Flanker

...' you mean practically every Luton based pilot for starters
I too have been a critic of some (many?) of the management practices over the last several months but, looking back briefly over the threads on PPruNe, it's always the same 20 or so names that appear to post. A small percentage of the total pilot workforce - most, if not all, of whom have access to internet.

Yes there are a lot of pi$$ed off people, but not everyone.

Another recent thread on PPruNe was started to specifically deter people from joining EZ. Bang out of order! Some of the problems we face result from a shortage of personnel in key areas - including flight deck.

How on earth will those problems ever be resolved if the supporters of that thread get their wish and no-one joins?

Many of the current dispute issues at EZ are common to many operators. Some, of course are unique.

I would still encourage people to join. The more we get, the easier - and quicker - it will be for our new rostering manager to hopefully provide us with the sort of working schedule that most of us would like. 'Crew based' rosters for next summer already SOUNDS like a step forward. Some, of course, will never be happy!

Hopefully there will be some form of announcement very soon to bring an end to these months of rumour-mongering about the pay and terms negotiations. With any luck, it will be acceptable to the majority and we can at last move on.
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Old 4th Dec 2002, 16:12
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Gentlemen, gentlemen.

You have given me some ideas about life at eJ, for which I am grateful......to both sides.

This is probably not the best place to get a balanced view, who knows who I am talking to!

I will now try to talk to a few friends of friends to get the view of the coal face workers.

By the way, it took a few months for my call to easyland after I applied.
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Old 4th Dec 2002, 18:04
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I think Easyjet itself is a good airline but treat their pilots like ....!! My advice is that if you want roster stability, do not join. On my last roster, every single rostered flying day was changed! Late to an early, early to a late, you name it they changed it.Next month to save heartache for my family etc, I will ask crewing not give me a roster but notify me of days off.

With regards to the flying, yes it is six days on three off. But once again "three off" not really! on your sixth day flying, you will always be rostered for a late finish and on your first day back you will be rostered for an early start.

The choice is yours! make the right one, I've been there a year, I'm knackered and nrrd to move on.
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Old 4th Dec 2002, 18:31
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Flaps One

It's the same people like me who continue to post, coz I'm past caring but there are large numbers of pilots who feel that it would not be in their interests to write anti Easy posts. Count up the number of negative posts and extrapolate to a conclusion.

If you need proof check out the percentages in the poll's on the Easy forum, all the negative ones are in the nineties.

I could not recommend Easyjet as an employer, however it depends on the status of the pilots joining. If they are young guys looking for lots of jet time and a quick command then OK, but as a lifestyle option it is crap, and it's not what they promise.

If you think that easy will behave more reasonably because there are millions of people applying I simply disagree.

Anyway, ' for me ze vor iz over '! I speak from experience of a few other (jet) airlines and this lot take the biscuit, but if you're happy I'm pleased for you.
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Old 4th Dec 2002, 19:09
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Flanker

I didn't say I was particularly happy with the way things are at the moment but the constant barrage of half-truths put out in the public domain are really beginning to grate.

Constant Speed DU has just stated that on your 6th day 'on' you WILL be programmed for late finish, followed by an early start on your next working day.

The use of the word WILL is deliberately inflamatory and untrue.

Of course I know it happens. It has happened to me often enough. But it does not ALWAYS happen and to say so is misleading. IF anyone ALWAYS has such a roster, and has kept copies, take them to the base Captain and get his opinion.

I have just looked at my last 3 months rosters and what Contstant Speed DU describes was rostered only 3 times for me. As it happens, I totally disagree with that. I think 3 days off should be proper 3 days off - that's another issue. But what I am reporting is accurate.

Furthermore, I didn't say things would get better simply because of '......millions of people applying'.

If crewing levels are brought up to target that has got to be good news hasn't it? Better flexibility for rosters all round surely. Is that not a major PART of the key to roster stability?

There will be a lot other issues to address as well but full staffing will be cracking start and make life a little better for all of us.

So why would anyone actively try to stop people applying?
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Old 4th Dec 2002, 19:31
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Flaps One:

Seems you have a chicken and egg problem here. Never easy to solve; BUT remember that in most business (management) situations of this sort the old axiom applies;

"Things always go wrong from the top, not the bottom."

Your proposal is to try and put it right from the bottom. As that is not where the problem lies, it won't work.

Considering all the posts on this subject you are asking people to take one helluva gamble that ej will shave profits to employ more crews, which might, just might, cause an improvement in life style. An extremely risky venture.

As we all know in flying, there is another axiom.

"Where's there doubt, there is no doubt."
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Old 4th Dec 2002, 21:58
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So why would anyone actively try to stop people applying?

Just maybe they are trying to give their colleagues and friends the benefit of their knowledge and experience to help them make an informed decision?

Half-truths ? Well if I were defending Easyjet I would not be in a hurry to bring honesty into the picture! Basing, Shares, CCP, Staff Travel, 6on 3 off, the Flexiday definition, any number more issues and of course the 'Employer of Choice' line. You must be joking?

Constant Speed DU says he's been here a year and wants out because he's knackered, then again I suppose he's just a whinging liar?
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Old 4th Dec 2002, 22:27
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RAT 5

You are probably right that things generally go wrong from the top.

We could do with a serious overhaul in that dept! At the very least a significant change of attitude would help.

However I can't help but think that to openly dissuade potential candidates from applying is shooting ourselves in the foot with both barrels.

If we don't recruit to target over the next few months what chance is there of our rosters getting any better - virtually none I would suggest.

I don't quite follow the argument that it's a gamble to suggest EZ will 'shave profits to employ more crews'. We are recruiting more and more crews - at least trying. There are interviews and assessments every week I believe. Threads like this do nothing to help that process.

Chicken and Egg - Yes, but it's got to start somewhere.

Flanker

Just because you (we) have issues with EZ policy integrity on certain issues doesn't justify us stooping to the same level does it?

I maintain the use of the word WILL in DU's post was innaccurate and clearly gave the impression that this was always the case.

Whinging liar - your words, never mine.
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Regarding the recruiting easyjet is doing at the moment, is this to replace crews that are leaving? or are they still taking deliveries of 737's? Anyone know what there policy is likely to be in terms of crewing the Airbus fleet? Will 737 crews transfer? or will that only be on offer to airbus rated crews? I know it's a little off topic, but would really appreciate some info, thanks.
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Old 5th Dec 2002, 21:58
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As I understand the recruiting is a long term thing to cater fir the continues expansion. More NGs still to come and have to be crewed.

No idea what the plot is for the Airbus crewing. Loads of rumours but no fact that I know of.
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Cool

As far as the airbus goes my understanding is that as yet no decisions have been made about how or where they will be introduced into the UK.

The project team has only recently been appointed and there are other things to worry about first.

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FlapsOne and Engee73, thanks for the reply
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Old 8th Dec 2002, 16:07
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Smile easyJet application and news

I passed the assessment course last week and should start on FEb3 2003! there were 8 of us to start with and if I'm right 6 passed the selection course.
the two day selection tests were quite tough but we had a very warm welcome from the recruitment team! I had a 737 easyJet captain on the phone he has been working for 3 years for the company and is very pleased! there were some rostering problems last summer which have been solved according to the team. obviously the company has a good reputation from inside... they need 140 pilots , non type rated pilots are very welcome! there is an assessment course every friday and conversion course every first monday of the month!!
as far as A319 well it's wait and see ...but the first ones will be based in Geneva for a start.
cheers and best of luck
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