Commencement of FDP; time and place
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Commencement of FDP; time and place
Hi all,
Just wondering what other operators do with regard to commencing of the FDP? EASA FTL says when required to report for duty which includes a sector(s).
So carpark, crew room, security, crew room after security, aircraft or V1?
Just wondering what other operators do with regard to commencing of the FDP? EASA FTL says when required to report for duty which includes a sector(s).
So carpark, crew room, security, crew room after security, aircraft or V1?
mine does briefing report time. Which on my fleet is 90mins before STD at home base, and 60min before STD after rest downroute (which is the planned dropoff time kerbside at the airport).
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They are frequently defined as either a place, e.g. crew room, or more often a time before scheduled departure is used. The operator has a responsibility to define the FTL reporting time taking into account of factors such as whether the crew room is airside or not, security arrangements or where the briefing takes place etc. If the reporting time is not defined, or you believe it does ot take into account reasonable factors, then get in touch with your aviation authority inspector (or anonymous report) asking for their input.
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Don’t see how you can be asked to report for duty after security. The security search is part of the duty (and if you are unlucky) could take you 15 mins to get through. The latest point could be just before security but your company needs to specify it in the manuals (not social media).
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They are frequently defined as either a place, e.g. crew room, or more often a time before scheduled departure is used. The operator has a responsibility to define the FTL reporting time taking into account of factors such as whether the crew room is airside or not, security arrangements or where the briefing takes place etc. If the reporting time is not defined, or you believe it does ot take into account reasonable factors, then get in touch with your aviation authority inspector (or anonymous report) asking for their input.
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Twiglet1 - There are so many variables for different operators and different airports that it was always difficult for UK CAA to come up with a definitive answer. Some airports have a very slick security/bag drop such that it is not punitive to use the airside crew room as the reporting point, others less so; hence it was down to the operator to consider all the applicable conditions and define the reporting time accordingly. In the event that on the day delays mean it takes longer than standard report then crews should delay the departure until all pre-flight duties are completed correctly and report the occurrence, and reasons, through the SMS. Sufficient reports would flag that a discussion is required with the regulator.
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Ahem, I am not in the UK, but certainly in EASA land. Our OM-A has a different chapter number for definitions where FDP, it’s beginning and termination is defined. So there are definitely different versions.
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Twiglet1 - There are so many variables for different operators and different airports that it was always difficult for UK CAA to come up with a definitive answer. Some airports have a very slick security/bag drop such that it is not punitive to use the airside crew room as the reporting point, others less so; hence it was down to the operator to consider all the applicable conditions and define the reporting time accordingly. In the event that on the day delays mean it takes longer than standard report then crews should delay the departure until all pre-flight duties are completed correctly and report the occurrence, and reasons, through the SMS. Sufficient reports would flag that a discussion is required with the regulator.
