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Old 14th Jun 2022, 09:35
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Originally Posted by White Van Driver View Post
Ok I'll get you started - I thought LH and SH have the same PP1?
Granted SH becomes less than LH as you progress up the PPs, but the question was about the basic salary on joining the company?
You are correct.

That's my mistake & I'll take it on the chin. But the pay scales do diverge fairly rapidly, approximately £900 per year (cumulative) for LH vs SH. Soon adds up...
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Old 15th Jun 2022, 15:06
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It's crazy people are still considering BA considering how the junior were treated in 2020...

Especially with the current climate in the east of Europe and economically....

Are you people employed looking to move? or unemployed and BA is the only option, UK licence for example.
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Old 15th Jun 2022, 15:41
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Originally Posted by balpalover69 View Post
It's crazy people are still considering BA considering how the junior were treated in 2020...

Especially with the current climate in the east of Europe and economically....

Are you people employed looking to move? or unemployed and BA is the only option, UK licence for example.
There will always be people applying to BA, regardless of what happens. Just like there will always be people who apply to Ryanair or Wizzair.
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Old 15th Jun 2022, 15:43
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Originally Posted by balpalover69 View Post
It's crazy people are still considering BA considering how the junior were treated in 2020...

Especially with the current climate in the east of Europe and economically....

Are you people employed looking to move? or unemployed and BA is the only option, UK licence for example.
Mate BA is still a great option unless youíre over 40 and then maybe not great to take advantage of seniority but itís not the worst.

Look at guys from Flybe (750 pilots dumped on the market), Norwegian, Cityjet!!!

Yes it wasnít nice but a lot are back now and yes itís been discussed a lot BA SH is pretty tough but you have options.
No airline is perfect have to find what suits you.
Ok J2 didnít get rid of anyone but for some doing SH around Europe for 20-30 years would be dull as dish water. For others itís great.

I would put money on as soon as BA open to external the system will crash within and hour. They will be inundated.

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Old 15th Jun 2022, 16:32
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You're right - the BA hat would look better on pilot.*****'s Instagram feed than a Ryanair or Wizz uniform...
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Hearing on the grapevine that the PRP has been exhausted and near empty so it must mean external recruitment starts soon?? Any rumours?
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Old 26th Jun 2022, 19:09
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Hearing on the grapevine that the PRP has been exhausted and near empty so it must mean external recruitment starts soon?? Any rumours?
Theres quite a few people in the PHP, the unofficial pool of those who signed a contract but got binned before joining.
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Old 27th Jun 2022, 06:11
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Hearing on the grapevine that the PRP has been exhausted and near empty so it must mean external recruitment starts soon?? Any rumours?
Not sure of your source but Iím in the PRP and have not been contacted by anyone unless the Gatwick Euroflyer trawl counts.
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Old 27th Jun 2022, 08:25
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Could it be that they're desperate for people to start at Gatwick and so having exhausted the group in the PRP they'll now look to the PHP to fill those gatwick slots?
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Old 27th Jun 2022, 08:27
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Originally Posted by Die By Wire View Post
Not sure of your source but Iím in the PRP and have not been contacted by anyone unless the Gatwick Euroflyer trawl counts.
Where are you in the PRP / Are you 320 rated? I know of someone who was offered 320 Mainline LHR despite only being about 6 months in the company when chopped (they joined in Jan 2020 IIRC). They were however 320 rated.

Have also been told by a fairly senior (320) trainer that their "working assumption now is everyone that wants to come back has a course date".

I don't know how this translates to other fleets.

I'm not trying to knock you down, just repeating what I've been told. Hopefully they're just working towards your point in the list.
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Old 27th Jun 2022, 08:59
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Originally Posted by thetimesreader84 View Post
Where are you in the PRP / Are you 320 rated? I know of someone who was offered 320 Mainline LHR despite only being about 6 months in the company when chopped (they joined in Jan 2020 IIRC). They were however 320 rated.

Have also been told by a fairly senior (320) trainer that their "working assumption now is everyone that wants to come back has a course date".

I don't know how this translates to other fleets.

I'm not trying to knock you down, just repeating what I've been told. Hopefully they're just working towards your point in the list.


There are still some at the very bottom who havent been offered anything yet (very few)

And also 40-60 who were unable to make their first offer due to notice, bond payments or waiting for LH (I would presume around 70-80 left all in?)

Then the PHP under that (unsure of size). I would be surprised if there is any external recruitment this year. Wouldnt surprise me after PRP and PHP drained it slowed down completely, but only indivividuals in planning would be able to say for sure.
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Old 27th Jun 2022, 10:33
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Originally Posted by balpalover69 View Post
There are still some at the very bottom who havent been offered anything yet (very few)

And also 40-60 who were unable to make their first offer due to notice, bond payments or waiting for LH (I would presume around 70-80 left all in?)

Then the PHP under that (unsure of size). I would be surprised if there is any external recruitment this year. Wouldnt surprise me after PRP and PHP drained it slowed down completely, but only indivividuals in planning would be able to say for sure.
Hi balpalover, that would seem to fit as I was in the mid 90% point in the queue when the list was first created as Compulsory Redundancy pilots were rightly ahead of Voluntary Redundancy pilots like myself.

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Old 27th Jun 2022, 15:35
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The Priority Hold Pool (terminated offers) in theory should be 3 months worth of courses/candidates - don't know how many would have run a month and numbers on courses. Standard offer to start date was 3 months back in 2019/20.
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 10:48
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If anybody is tempted to get back into it by joining Euroflyer down in Gatwick, let me assure you itís wonderful.
If you enjoy 6 on 1 off starting with lates and rotating backwards to mornings, and working with cabin crew whoíve slept for 4 hours in the last 5 days then really, itís the place for you!
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Old 4th Jul 2022, 08:37
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Originally Posted by ClearedToNowhere View Post
If anybody is tempted to get back into it by joining Euroflyer down in Gatwick, let me assure you it’s wonderful.
If you enjoy 6 on 1 off starting with lates and rotating backwards to mornings, and working with cabin crew who’ve slept for 4 hours in the last 5 days then really, it’s the place for you!
can’t speak for the cabin crew side of things, and I’m sure managements goal is to sweat the assets to the max; but iBid doesn’t seem to back up your claim..at present. Some long days sure, but 6 on 1 off and repeat doesn’t seem to be on many rosters at all.
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Old 4th Jul 2022, 18:54
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Any word yet on direct entry hiring in the reasonably near future?
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Old 4th Jul 2022, 21:57
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Originally Posted by ClearedToNowhere View Post
If anybody is tempted to get back into it by joining Euroflyer down in Gatwick, let me assure you itís wonderful.
If you enjoy 6 on 1 off starting with lates and rotating backwards to mornings, and working with cabin crew whoíve slept for 4 hours in the last 5 days then really, itís the place for you!
Donīt feed the troll!!!

Friend of mine just got his CMD in LGW. Startup OPS as expected, nothing unusual.. small base and nice chaps there. Average sector length is around 3,5hrs due to the route network (Spain, Greece, Italy, Turkey..)
So for the rocket scientist: 7hours per day times 6 days = 42hours + another lets say 6 days and you are with 84hrs... so not that much left you can do in the remaining 18 days.. ;-)
Anyhow.. don't feed the troll....
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Old 4th Jul 2022, 22:38
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Originally Posted by A320LGW View Post
Any word yet on direct entry hiring in the reasonably near future?
My understanding..

Plan is extremely fluid - potential DEP numbers for next year differ from none to a lot on a weekly basis, but entirely depends on BAís ability to recover (build up the rest of the operation such as below the wing and not forgetting the LH a/c delivery delays).

I believe itís a little more negative now than what it was a few weeks ago, but only time will tell and regardless theyíre keen to get numbers in a hold pool for new DEPs just in case.

Aside from those who remain in the PRP..

PHP + (no contract) Hold Pool equals around 150 heads so thatíll absorb a chunk of vacancies, but it sounds like everythingís ready to go to launch a campaign IF itís needed..

I say this and theyíll announce it tomorrow..
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Old 5th Jul 2022, 08:15
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For anyone hoping to apply it might be worth bearing in mind that BA initially *said* they would honor people already in the recruitment process, if not honor their position, possibly give them first dibs on reapplying, which was at least a few month worth of assesments...
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Old 5th Jul 2022, 09:48
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OK thanks for the info guys. Let's hope it happens sooner rather than later
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