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Old 18th Jul 2021, 19:57
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Ryanair experienced pilot recruitment - UK licenses

How does recruitment of Brits with a UK license work at Ryanair (Irish reg based at Stansted)? The latest ads say they are accepted. My understanding is Brits can work for an Irish company but I'm confused about the AOC part. Ireland is part of EASA and presently UK licenses are deemed 3rd country. Can someone break it down? Thanks
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Old 18th Jul 2021, 20:43
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You must have an EASA licence to operate any of the Ryanair EI registered aircrafts, as well as for the SP and 9H regs
The only option for you would be Ryanair UK, but at the moments only TWO aircrafts are on the G- register and we have enough pilots
If you really see no other options than joining Ryanair you should seek to transfer your licence to EASA
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Old 19th Jul 2021, 20:45
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Do you have a link that says UK licences are accepted? All I see on the Ryanair website for experienced pilots says EASA licence required. UK passport is accepted…..
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 09:12
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I know the main page says EASA license required. However, subsequently when you enter your details, you get to select the country that issued your license from a drop down list. 'GB' is there as an option. However, this is probably a relic from the past.
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Robert Courts MP is your man. He's ignoring me.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 17:41
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Future UK pilot with EASA license

How does it work for UK pilots with EASA licenses?
I am about to start training and am deciding between UK or EASA license. I know Ryanair are one of the main recruiters for low hour pilots and would be keen to work with them with the goal of moving to Europe. Therefore I am considering an EASA license. However, this could limit me to only EU airlines with UK bases since I don't have an EU passport.
Does anyone know if Ryanair are keen to higher UK citizens with EASA licenses and base them in the UK with the option to move to an EU base if needed/if a permit or visa can be obtained?
Also, does anyone know of any other EU airlines with UK bases that like to higher UK citizens (ones that require an EASA license, so not Wizz Air or EasyJet since their UK bases hold G-reg planes). I heard Ryanair used to like to higher UK citizens and base them throughout Europe, can anyone else confirm this? Don't know if that will be the case now though.
Come to think of it, is it likely that all of Ryanairs UK based planes will have to become G-reg? Is it not the case that all planes based in the UK must be G-reg and so require UK licenses now? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 19:10
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Quite unlikely. EU-UK FTA allows EU aircraft to be based in UK, but they are limited to operating UK-EU flights. Vice versa is also possible, but not many airlines will want to limit their EU base to UK flights only with G-reg.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 05:38
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He did respond to me but only after my MP chased him for months. He knows all too well that his governments "oven ready" deal has stitched up UK licence holders but doesn't care and just tries to pass any criticism of his department in this fiasco onto the Home Office.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 07:24
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Why would you aspire to work for Ryanair when you gain your licence when they insist on charging you £30,000+ just to sit in the RHS? There are plenty of better companies to work for out there that won't base their business model on scamming low hour pilots. Not trying to start an argument here, just curious as to why your aim is to spend so much money to start with.

Regarding licensing - no-one here will be able to give you a good answer as everything is liable to change I'm afraid. The agreement by the CAA to recognise EASA licences was done at the last minute, and likewise EASA not reciprocating was also decided last minute. In the next 18-24 months we could be anywhere. I would hope that common sense will prevail and CAA & EASA pilots will enjoy the freedoms of old, but it's just as likely that both sides will throw the toys out the pram and insist on their own licence holders to operate their own aircraft.
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Can you please list some of the ‘plenty of better’ airlines that people like OP can apply to without needing to pay for a type rating?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 09:38
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A good point SNR although the CAA said all along in its updates that it would recognise EASA licences and expected the EU to reciprocate. I guess what the EU said was "no, we can't do that if you go full on hard/no deal as you will have chosen third country status and we could not give you a better deal compared to other third countries". As a compromise though, we could look at special fudge agreements to sort of mirror EASA without being totally in it. Once it was clear that Frost had been sent on a mission to disrupt and waste time right up until the line and effectively force a crash out with only a bare bones deal, the EU probably said it, we will get back to you some time in the future about licencing when we have time. In the meantime, HMG managed to sign up to an aviation safety agreement within the TCA which allowed foreign airlines to operate as many non UK registered aircraft as they liked out of the UK so long as they didn't do domestic. Genius. How long will it be before UK airlines realise that there may be benefits in moving parts of their fleet offshore and continuing to use subsidiaries shell companies?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:30
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BA, BACF, Aer Lingus UK, Eastern, Loganair, Jet2, EasyJet, WIzz, Capital Air Ambulance, Gama, Air Charter Scotland, Ravenair, Blue Islands, Aurigny. Some are sponsored schemes, some are bonded, some are paid TR (but far less than £30k).

Yes, most of those won't take low hour pilots right now. But they won't take anyone right now. OP will be 2 years before they're ready to sit in the RHS, and aviation will be in a different place then. If the requirements are 500 hours then go spend some time doing something interesting like being a Jump Pilot or FI to get the hours up. By spending £30k+ not only are you having to work for 2 years before you'll see any return, you're contributing to the race to the bottom in T&Cs for yourself and everyone else in the pilot community.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:45
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Yeah good points, it all seems tit for tat and not very well thought through (no surprises there). I may be wrong, but I think the CAA didn't announce their scheme to allow to you to transfer to EASA and get your UK licence back like-for-like until it was too late to SOLI away? i.e within the last 3 months of last year. For many it was too big a risk to drop your UK licence without knowing exactly what the future would look like.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 11:48
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This is all good to know. Obviously we can't predict the situation in 2 years time, but I expect a significant sum of type rating, line and base training costs is something that has to be done to get the job you want.
The reason I was focusing so much on Ryanair was because they are the only airline with UK bases (as far as I am aware) that require an EASA license, thus giving me the opportunity to move to Europe further down the line when jobs become in demand again. I guess paying £30K is sufferable if you stay with that company your whole life and don't have to pay for it again. But then there is the risk of limiting myself to Ryanair with an EASA license and just hoping they have vacancies at a UK base in 2 years time.
The other options your listed all require UK licenses so that is food for thought. Many thanks.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 15:01
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I think the CAA didn't announce their scheme to allow to you to transfer to EASA and get your UK licence back like-for-like until it was too late to SOLI away?
No, there was over two years' notice which was plenty of time.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 15:52
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We don't know what advice the CAA were giving to Ops directors behind the scenes, but the only public advice on Brexit preparedness was on their microsite. This was very simplistic information and it only gave advice on the worst no deal scenario. Since before the 2019 general election, our Prime Minister was assuring us that the chance of no deal was a million to one and that he had a fantastic oven ready deal. Based on that advice from the PM, it would be unlikely that many would expect that the Government would negotiate away their right to be able to apply for jobs in their own country on a UK licence.
Yes, the PM is a liar and this very scenario demonstrates why he should not be in office. Thousands of UK licenced pilots have bend stitched up by their own government but how were they supposed to make decisions based whether Johnson was lying or just waffling through not understanding the facts?

Johnson did deliver a deal which he continued to describe as excellent but we now know that it was s*"^t all along and Frosts input was just to dick around stretch things out until the deadline. Johnson and his owners and minders never intended it to be anything other than that. UK pilots have been well and truly shafted by their own government.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 21:51
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Not with sufficient detail to enable a UK based pilot to make a decision whether they would be able to complete the process without jeopardising their current UK employment.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 22:45
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Exactly. The argument that we had enough time is blinkered
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 08:42
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Add in to it that most UK airlines wouldn't let you SOLI to EASA over the past 2 years as it would mean forfeiting your UK licence - we really have been sent up creek with this one
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 11:07
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Ryanair Experienced Pilot Recruitment 2021

Hi everyone, looks like there will be some considerable recruitment at Ryanair over the next few years.

5/4 roster in a UK base would be very tempting for me. What are the chances of a non-rated DEC getting this? Does anyone know what terms will be offered to such applicants if successful? Ryanair contract? Base in contract? Salary?
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