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Old 30th Jun 2021, 10:40
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I suggest that you go and look at the salaries Wizz pay and swallow a big spoonful of reality.Post 1857 by Booze on the Wizz thread is particularly illuminating.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 11:23
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Just shown my 18 yr old daughter that photo. ‘Would you fly on an airline whose pilots were dressed like that?’
Answer: ‘absolutely bloody not!’

Nuff said.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 11:54
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Is this serious? I thought it was some kind of wind up!
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 12:42
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Those uniforms look like low-rent strippers - obviously you would want a discount if the pair of clowns pictured turned up in them though 🤣
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 13:22
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So, the salary is stated for a cabin crew at 521,000 ISK for 67 hours. NET. That's €3551... Or €53 per hour.
So are you saying a F/O would be on almost half the pay of cabin crew?
Which supermarket in Iceland pays more than €53 per hour?
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 13:54
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you’re comparing apples and oranges. Most supermarket workers will work more than 67 hours a month. Assuming 40 hrs a week 2000 euros/month is only 12.5 euros per hour. It’s not minimum wage but not is it excessive.

But as far as the uniform goes, so what ? If you’re out of work and someone offers you a job you’re unlikely to turn it down because of the colour of the jacket. And if you evacuate you’re more likely to be recognised by your high viz jacket, probably.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 14:16
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Sorry for the wake-up call, but ISK 424k a month net for cabin crew is above what you'd get paid in a hospital, school and far more than you'd get at Hagkaup or Bonus. Remind me how much FI pays staff to read their staff update and briefing emails?

Play got investment because a lot of local investors believe Icelandair has real problems:
  1. We are talking about an airline that this week had a 757 stolen, no really that's literally what's happened https://www.rfi.fr/pt/cabo-verde/202...a%C3%A7%C3%A3o and that's without the shareholding that the government has just seized.
  2. Icelandair pilots last year were to replace flight attendants who voted down a pay rise, during a time when FI had maybe 0-1 return sectors across the whole company per day https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9626041.html which is partly not untypical of union relations in Iceland,
  3. They've got a vast fleet investment issue, because of a mixture of geriatric 757 and 767s, plus 737-MAXs which don't have sufficient range for FI's network and have a market value way less than the financing costs https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/05/08/...-airbus-fleet/
The typical wage in the capital area is about ISK410k per month net. If you are in your twenties like most of the Play cabin crew, it's much less because you'll be in starter wages. So how is paying more than the average wage a bad thing?

Opinions on the uniform are pretty split. I was on the inaugural, the red cabin crew works OK and they love the comfortable shoes. Not too sure about the pilots who looked a bit like a stripper gram.

I think Play's bigger problem is that virtually none of the IT works, from what I hear.....
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 16:35
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20 years ago Netjets paid a small fortune to a uniform company, on the back of the advice from head of cabin services, for a new uniform.

It was camp as hell and gave captains 2 stripes, F/O's just one.

It was all made up and almost got to line.

Thank God someone saw sense at the 11th hour!
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 17:15
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The pay you quoted from the prospectus is for a "Trainer/LC", probably a single person in the outfit. NCCM, I assume this means NEW CCM which all of them are at this point is 60% of that pay. 67 block hours is easily around 110 duty hours if not more. So your calculations are rather silly and do not reflect reality.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 18:05
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Also, it shifts the risk to the crewmember for all boarding, check-in, security, delays and taxi time. The supermarket worker most likely gets paid per hour and not only part of it. Like the crewmember in this case.

Should get an oversized gold necklace with the Run Dmc sneakers...

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Old 1st Jul 2021, 08:48
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Have to say - they do look (pilots) a little like they're about to do a rendition of the scene(s) from "The Full Monty"...."All right. Yeah, we may not be young...we may not be pretty, we may not be right good...but we're here...we're live, and for one (possibly more) pay packet only...we're going for the full monty".

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Old 1st Jul 2021, 10:23
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It has to be a joke and even more those 2 guys playing as "Pilots" they sure are no real flight crews probably some managers or ground staff that thought it would be funny to play the part.
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Old 2nd Jul 2021, 09:23
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As pilots we are all in desperate circumstances. I haven’t flown for 16 months.

One day things will recover. We will be back flying, and getting the salary we deserve. For now, the accountants rule, but it won’t always be that way.
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Old 3rd Jul 2021, 01:07
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That lockdown sure played havoc with BMI .

I predict yet another Icelandic start up airline failure and I sincerely hope I am wrong.
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 20:27
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This is absolutely disgraceful. Thank goodness that some of us were able to fly in the 70s through 2020s and then run away screaming.
What a shame for those who have to fight on.
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Old 5th Jul 2021, 13:16
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My advice would be however desperate you are to get a flying job there are certain companies to avoid and this appears to be one of them.
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 12:15
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What kind of imbecile would volunteer to be in that picture dressed like an idiot? Would you fly as a pax with such an idiot?
I cannot believe what I see!!
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 15:35
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Unfortunately looks like it is the actual uniform indeed....🤣🤣. Unbelievable.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 05:36
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Any info on the t&c-s for the advertised positions? Apparently 50 pilots to be hired by next year. I guess the WOW pool has dried up.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 12:50
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I, like most am an unemployed pilot right now, but I can't do this! Really, I can't!
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