IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs
Given that BA have, as 3 greens put it, moved to implementation stage, I am most unclear why, and about what, BA would negotiate with BASSA.
I am also very unclear about who BASSA now represent..................given that they have represented no-one for the last few weeks.
I am also very unclear about who BASSA now represent..................given that they have represented no-one for the last few weeks.
So do you think the situation is now improved, and that now there is no need for them to "save money" as you put it?
I'll happily agree with you that the company's attitude to all of it's staff, not just the legacy fleets, may well have been "sub-optimal", especially in the light of the fact that it didn't really reward the work staff put in over previous years that led to record profits, but the financial outlook now is looking even worse than it was in the spring - IMVHO you're misleading yourself if you suddenly think there's now no need to save money....
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PC, are you saying that BA are now working with BASSA/Unite on reemploying those CC that took VR or who were CR? Are Unite saying that the changes to contracts are likely to be temporary and when traffic recovers, they will revert back to old ‘legacy’ contracts?
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It's far beyond that stage, CC long haul who were made redundant were last week 'selected' to rejoin on the new mixed fleet contract. Lucky them, lower pay and totally screws up their childcare.
Have I misunderstood? BA Have moved to the implementation stage because bassa&UNITE refused to engage. There is to be no further negotiations. BA have set out their proposals on ONE and offers of employment have been sent out to those crew who didn’t take VR and weren’t made CR. Are you now saying you think BA are going to sit and negotiate after 5months of waiting?
So, yes, after many months of banging heads and poor relations between TU and management, it seems we have an accord.
I'm now picking up talk/?rumour of significant periods of unpaid leave being on offer to CC but whether that is with a view to ultimately returning to some iteration of old style T&Cs, or they'd come back on "new fleet rules" seems to be an unknown as far as I can tell.
Glad to hear TURINs news....
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The amount of qualified/ experienced licenced Engineers that have left the industry recently is alarming . Its last group of people you want walking out of the door.
The amount of qualified/ experienced licenced Engineers that have left the industry recently is alarming . Its last group of people you want walking out of the door.
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The cabin crew deal seems done and dusted. My crew yesterday were all ex mixed fleet. They were very happy to have a job, they were happy with the contract and had no interest in any IA. Sure it could be better but they seem fare more balanced.
Yesterday the place allocation was published. Long story short. FO 320 = loads of places at LHR, moderate vacancy Cap 320 LHR. Vacancies on 787,350 both status and 777 captain only. No 380 places.
LGW displaced pilots would be first in line to sweep up the airbus positions.
Yesterday the place allocation was published. Long story short. FO 320 = loads of places at LHR, moderate vacancy Cap 320 LHR. Vacancies on 787,350 both status and 777 captain only. No 380 places.
LGW displaced pilots would be first in line to sweep up the airbus positions.
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Turin was referring to Engineering.
BASSA have not engaged, so the omni shambles of VR and CR continues. Not aided by BASSA.
Have BA got any planes to run? One wonders................
BASSA have not engaged, so the omni shambles of VR and CR continues. Not aided by BASSA.
Have BA got any planes to run? One wonders................
Best of luck to all those still with an uncertain future.
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MF crew haven’t had their contracts terminated and been presented with a devastating and permanent proposal. In fact MF have a pay rise and CSM less responsibilities as a result of the changes. CSMs no longer have teams to manage Andy administration responsibilities. Of course they seem happy. The issue is UNiTE negotiating for both MF and legacy is a conflict of interests. Former MF crew are the future growth, former legacy crew are in decline.
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Could someone qualified please enlighten us as to the cabin crew deal at BA with simple examples of old and new basic pay scales, along with allowances and agreed future terms?
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MF cabin crew no new deal per se, reasonable changes to contract. They do not have to agree to anything.
MF CSMs new agreement and contract as they move from A scale managers to cabin crew scales. No longer have teams to manage on the ground.
New proposal equals pay rise for MF.
Legacy CSDs, CSLs, Pursers and main crew have been given notice of termination of contract. Now on 90 days notice. Negotiations with unions current focused on mitigating compulsory redundancies and presenting options to retained crew to allow those with a CR notice to remain employed.
The dire proposal has yet to be subject to negotiation. Agreement has been reached that the new contract will have a 4 week trial period as per the Employment Rights Act 1996 during which crew can reject the employment as unsuitable and claim CR but no PILON.
No temporary measures, for whatever length of time, are being considered by BA.
MF CSMs new agreement and contract as they move from A scale managers to cabin crew scales. No longer have teams to manage on the ground.
New proposal equals pay rise for MF.
Legacy CSDs, CSLs, Pursers and main crew have been given notice of termination of contract. Now on 90 days notice. Negotiations with unions current focused on mitigating compulsory redundancies and presenting options to retained crew to allow those with a CR notice to remain employed.
The dire proposal has yet to be subject to negotiation. Agreement has been reached that the new contract will have a 4 week trial period as per the Employment Rights Act 1996 during which crew can reject the employment as unsuitable and claim CR but no PILON.
No temporary measures, for whatever length of time, are being considered by BA.