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Old 30th Mar 2020, 16:49
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What is your airline doing?

Just wondering how different airlines are playing this. Probably far from peoples minds at the moment, but when the tide does eventually turn in a few years, I wonder if people will look back and apply to those airlines that looked after their staff the most. Thinking Jet 2 at the moment!

Also, what a great marketing opportunity when its over. I think the population will be a lot more community minded, and start boycotting the likes of Sports Direct etc. (Until the memory fades in about 6 months.) So for example, Jet 2 might advertise as being the "Community Airline", who paid their staff 100% though-out. (Using Jet2 as an example, as I believe they are haven't received any payouts etc. Sorry if this is incorrect.)

So to start, 2 that I know:

Qatar - So far no pay deductions.

BA - Effectively 50% part time for April and May to start. No news yet on the other areas of the business. Leader was very late to the game to take a pay cut.

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Old 30th Mar 2020, 19:18
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KLM - No pay reductions or part timing. 90% of salaries are paid by an emergency state fund for upcoming 3 months. No redundancies for pilots and cabin crew.
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 16:44
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Originally Posted by aerodestination View Post
KLM - No pay reductions or part timing. 90% of salaries are paid by an emergency state fund for upcoming 3 months. No redundancies for pilots and cabin crew.
Hower with a maximum of Ä9500,-
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 12:52
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Hower with a maximum of Ä9500,-
WOW. That is way too much if paid for by tax revenue.. If I remember WW in the Netherlands used to be Max 4000e (ballpark) / month..
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 14:16
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AirBaltic - CEO is refusing state bailout and calls it a waste of money, because he doesn't need people. Staff including FC/CC will be cut by about 40%. Management is not interested in people solidarity and majority willing to do part time / 75%, they see layoffs as only option. Unions helpless and ignored. Government - as the majority shareholder - toothless.
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 15:15
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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman View Post
WOW. That is way too much if paid for by tax revenue.. If I remember WW in the Netherlands used to be Max 4000e (ballpark) / month..
Knowing nothing about it and can't easily see with a very very quick search, I wonder is that Ä9500 across the 3 months in total, not per month. That brings it close to other states.
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 15:27
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Originally Posted by q400_driver View Post
AirBaltic - CEO is refusing state bailout and calls it a waste of money, because he doesn't need people. Staff including FC/CC will be cut by about 40%. Management is not interested in people solidarity and majority willing to do part time / 75%, they see layoffs as only option. Unions helpless and ignored. Government - as the majority shareholder - toothless.
What a load of rubbish the management is in airBaltic. Looks like I really dodged a bullet two years ago.
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 15:51
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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman View Post
WOW. That is way too much if paid for by tax revenue.. If I remember WW in the Netherlands used to be Max 4000e (ballpark) / month..
Why would that be too much??
These guys and girls paid a whole lot of tax in their lives!
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 16:08
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Why would that be too much??
These guys and girls paid a whole lot of tax in their lives!
yes so did many others who are now paying their salaries. 9500 is a figure that you cannot explain to taxpayers. Donít get me wrong, I have nothing against their salaries, that is, when it is paid for by the company. Not by the taxpayers. This should be capped.

*just looked it up online. Max unemployment fee is 219 euro/day (with a max of 37000/yr) I donít see why it should be different in this case...
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 01:25
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In France, the french government give about 4,5 X minimum wage for a maximum, what make 6900 euro before tax. If the employee is paid more, the airline need to pay the difference.

​​​​​​In my airline, it cover an FO salary but not a Cpt salary, so the airline pay the difference to pay the minimum guarantee.
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 12:04
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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman View Post
yes so did many others who are now paying their salaries. 9500 is a figure that you cannot explain to taxpayers. Donít get me wrong, I have nothing against their salaries, that is, when it is paid for by the company. Not by the taxpayers. This should be capped.

*just looked it up online. Max unemployment fee is 219 euro/day (with a max of 37000/yr) I donít see why it should be different in this case...
its becouse they are not unemployed!
those pilots also have mortgage to pay, maybe alimony, 3 ex wives etc.
dont forget their normal salary is roughly double that, so 9500 is a massive unexpected paycut.

Lufthansa, Cargo and Germanwings, at least for the next 3 months:
captain: 85%, Senior FO 86%, and FO 87% of their normal net income.
This normally runs until the end of 2020, but longer is an option.
after this program is stopped, its forbidden to lay off cockpit crew for the 3 months after that

8 or more holidays a month gives you 100% salary
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 12:51
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In a good mond I make 9500 and even I could manage a year ahead with no pay. I think it is ridiculous to have the taxpayer pay for senior KLM captains. I think they earn every cent of their salary. But not when their salary is paid for by the the tax payer. That is completely ridiculous! That is more then 3 times an IC nurse makes monthly. Just to putt it in perspective. If you are on such a package and can not save for a rainy day then you are very poor in financial planning...

*But is the 9500 for 3 months or per month?Ē
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 13:24
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*But is the 9500 for 3 months or per month?Ē
Itís per month
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 17:54
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Working a normal full roster and on full normal pay.
But I have been told on another Thread to "Shhhhhh" about that!
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 18:00
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Originally Posted by sekmeth View Post
its becouse they are not unemployed!
those pilots also have mortgage to pay, maybe alimony, 3 ex wives etc.
dont forget their normal salary is roughly double that, so 9500 is a massive unexpected paycut.
So does the people that are not in this industry. So, according to your comment, they get around Ä200k before tax. Don't they have savings, investments etc? Can they not do a life style change for the next months? Remember this is temporary, it's not for life. Having the tax payer paying those high amounts, no matter how much you argue back, it's ludicrous. Just remember our colleagues that lost their job recently and they are entitle to 0. Zero. Nada.

Don't be greedy.
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 19:37
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Tui pilots have taken an approximate pay cut of just under 50%, while they have been furloughed. The pilots union and the management seem to be working in a very grown up and transparent manner which is as surprising as it is inspiring. Long may this mature and collaborative approach continue.
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 22:12
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What is your airline doing?
Can't say as I don't own an airline unfortunately
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 22:35
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Most of the recent government schemes provide (temporarily) a proportion of the wages that an individual has been earning prior to this epidemic.
This is just a short term measure to ensure that things like mortgage payments are not missed until (hopefully) things improve. Avoiding any house repossessions etc.

I understand that it seems wrong (on the face of it) that governments should pay the same proportion to "highly" paid pilots.

It is also not fair that individuals who have provided a much larger contribution of taxes previously, should be penalised.

My own company is using the UK 80% scheme. The majority of employees will be receiving an actual 80% of their previous income whilst furloughed.
Higher paid crew will be received as little as 20% of their previous income but still with bills based on their full pay.

I'm happy that the government has intervened, but am still disappointed overall.

IMHO.

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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 07:55
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Originally Posted by Satoshi Nakamoto View Post
Can't say as I don't own an airline unfortunately
I think at the moment you're quite fortunate! I own a very small number of shares in 2 UK airlines, and currently wish that I didn't
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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 08:40
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Originally Posted by 5000psi View Post
I think at the moment you're quite fortunate! I own a very small number of shares in 2 UK airlines, and currently wish that I didn't
I own a big number in my airline and to
say I regret is an understatement!
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