What is your airline doing?
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What is your airline doing?
Just wondering how different airlines are playing this. Probably far from peoples minds at the moment, but when the tide does eventually turn in a few years, I wonder if people will look back and apply to those airlines that looked after their staff the most. Thinking Jet 2 at the moment!
Also, what a great marketing opportunity when its over. I think the population will be a lot more community minded, and start boycotting the likes of Sports Direct etc. (Until the memory fades in about 6 months.) So for example, Jet 2 might advertise as being the "Community Airline", who paid their staff 100% though-out. (Using Jet2 as an example, as I believe they are haven't received any payouts etc. Sorry if this is incorrect.)
So to start, 2 that I know:
Qatar - So far no pay deductions.
BA - Effectively 50% part time for April and May to start. No news yet on the other areas of the business. Leader was very late to the game to take a pay cut.
Also, what a great marketing opportunity when its over. I think the population will be a lot more community minded, and start boycotting the likes of Sports Direct etc. (Until the memory fades in about 6 months.) So for example, Jet 2 might advertise as being the "Community Airline", who paid their staff 100% though-out. (Using Jet2 as an example, as I believe they are haven't received any payouts etc. Sorry if this is incorrect.)
So to start, 2 that I know:
Qatar - So far no pay deductions.
BA - Effectively 50% part time for April and May to start. No news yet on the other areas of the business. Leader was very late to the game to take a pay cut.
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AirBaltic - CEO is refusing state bailout and calls it a waste of money, because he doesn't need people. Staff including FC/CC will be cut by about 40%. Management is not interested in people solidarity and majority willing to do part time / 75%, they see layoffs as only option. Unions helpless and ignored. Government - as the majority shareholder - toothless.
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Knowing nothing about it and can't easily see with a very very quick search, I wonder is that €9500 across the 3 months in total, not per month. That brings it close to other states.
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*just looked it up online. Max unemployment fee is 219 euro/day (with a max of 37000/yr) I don’t see why it should be different in this case...
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In France, the french government give about 4,5 X minimum wage for a maximum, what make 6900 euro before tax. If the employee is paid more, the airline need to pay the difference.
In my airline, it cover an FO salary but not a Cpt salary, so the airline pay the difference to pay the minimum guarantee.
In my airline, it cover an FO salary but not a Cpt salary, so the airline pay the difference to pay the minimum guarantee.
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yes so did many others who are now paying their salaries. 9500 is a figure that you cannot explain to taxpayers. Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against their salaries, that is, when it is paid for by the company. Not by the taxpayers. This should be capped.
*just looked it up online. Max unemployment fee is 219 euro/day (with a max of 37000/yr) I don’t see why it should be different in this case...
*just looked it up online. Max unemployment fee is 219 euro/day (with a max of 37000/yr) I don’t see why it should be different in this case...
those pilots also have mortgage to pay, maybe alimony, 3 ex wives etc.
dont forget their normal salary is roughly double that, so 9500 is a massive unexpected paycut.
Lufthansa, Cargo and Germanwings, at least for the next 3 months:
captain: 85%, Senior FO 86%, and FO 87% of their normal net income.
This normally runs until the end of 2020, but longer is an option.
after this program is stopped, its forbidden to lay off cockpit crew for the 3 months after that
8 or more holidays a month gives you 100% salary
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In a good mond I make 9500 and even I could manage a year ahead with no pay. I think it is ridiculous to have the taxpayer pay for senior KLM captains. I think they earn every cent of their salary. But not when their salary is paid for by the the tax payer. That is completely ridiculous! That is more then 3 times an IC nurse makes monthly. Just to putt it in perspective. If you are on such a package and can not save for a rainy day then you are very poor in financial planning...
*But is the 9500 for 3 months or per month?”
*But is the 9500 for 3 months or per month?”
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Don't be greedy.
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Tui pilots have taken an approximate pay cut of just under 50%, while they have been furloughed. The pilots union and the management seem to be working in a very grown up and transparent manner which is as surprising as it is inspiring. Long may this mature and collaborative approach continue.
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Most of the recent government schemes provide (temporarily) a proportion of the wages that an individual has been earning prior to this epidemic.
This is just a short term measure to ensure that things like mortgage payments are not missed until (hopefully) things improve. Avoiding any house repossessions etc.
I understand that it seems wrong (on the face of it) that governments should pay the same proportion to "highly" paid pilots.
It is also not fair that individuals who have provided a much larger contribution of taxes previously, should be penalised.
My own company is using the UK 80% scheme. The majority of employees will be receiving an actual 80% of their previous income whilst furloughed.
Higher paid crew will be received as little as 20% of their previous income but still with bills based on their full pay.
I'm happy that the government has intervened, but am still disappointed overall.
IMHO.
This is just a short term measure to ensure that things like mortgage payments are not missed until (hopefully) things improve. Avoiding any house repossessions etc.
I understand that it seems wrong (on the face of it) that governments should pay the same proportion to "highly" paid pilots.
It is also not fair that individuals who have provided a much larger contribution of taxes previously, should be penalised.
My own company is using the UK 80% scheme. The majority of employees will be receiving an actual 80% of their previous income whilst furloughed.
Higher paid crew will be received as little as 20% of their previous income but still with bills based on their full pay.
I'm happy that the government has intervened, but am still disappointed overall.
IMHO.
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