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Old 6th Dec 2019, 14:36
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Instructor rates

Can anybody say what are the rates of pay for commercial flight instructors in the UK, SEP or MEP IR? In particular what do you think should be the hourly rate for teaching the new "advanced UPRT" course on an aerobatic cat aircraft? Also what is the pay rate for a Multi Crew Cooperation Instructor on a fixed base FSTD?

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Old 7th Dec 2019, 11:53
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Obviously nobody is officially 'qualified' by the CAA yet to deliver on-aircraft UPRT - in fact, the CAA haven't even approved any FCL.915(e) UPRT FI programmes yet, even though FCL.745.A becomes mandatory less than 2 weeks from now.

For me, delivery of on-aircraft UPRT is probably one of the most challenging aspects of being an FI (although I'm obviously biased!), and the pay rates should reflect that.
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Thanks, I suppose that pay for UPRT instructing would depend on the qualifications and experience required of the instructor.

Basic UPRT which forms part of the CPL course can only be taught by an instructor holding a professional licence.

For the modular route, the advanced UPRT specified at FCL.745.A is not part of the CPL course and thus could be taught by a FI holding a PPL provided they have at least 500 hours total time and 200 hours instructing.

The advanced UPRT course will be a prerequisite to a professional pilot's first multi crew type rating and the theoretical knowledge will include a review of the aerodynamics of transport category aeroplanes, yet there is no requirement for the instructor to have experience of multi crew aircraft. Unlike teaching for a PPL, there is no requirement that a PPL FI teaching advanced UPRT must have passed CPL theory exams.

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MCCI approx. 260 per session.
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Thanks very much. How long a session? Would that typically be one session per day?
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Normally one session per day, approx six hours; 1:45 preflight brief, 4 hour sim, 0:45 debrief.
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 23:26
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Originally Posted by Rivet gun View Post
Thanks, I suppose that pay for UPRT instructing would depend on the qualifications and experience required of the instructor.

Basic UPRT which forms part of the CPL course can only be taught by an instructor holding a professional licence.

For the modular route, the advanced UPRT specified at FCL.745.A is not part of the CPL course and thus could be taught by a FI holding a PPL provided they have at least 500 hours total time and 200 hours instructing.

The advanced UPRT course will be a prerequisite to a professional pilot's first multi crew type rating and the theoretical knowledge will include a review of the aerodynamics of transport category aeroplanes, yet there is no requirement for the instructor to have experience of multi crew aircraft. Unlike teaching for a PPL, there is no requirement that a PPL FI teaching advanced UPRT must have passed CPL theory exams.
Interesting observation. Whilst anybody teaching professional licence requirements is normally required to hold a professional licence, as you state it is NOT a formal requirement in FCL.915(e) which outlines the UPRT FI requirements. In practice however - and having been delivering this training for over 10 years now - FIs absolutely require better than ATPL level of technical knowledge to be able to effectively deliver Advanced UPRT, especially with respect to principles of flight and high altitude aerodynamics. Knowledge of AoA and High altitude issues tend to be extremely poor in both current airline pilots and cadets in our experience. ​​​​​​
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