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B767 or B787

Old 27th Apr 2019, 10:17
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Question B767 or B787

Dear all,

I'm new to this forum and have a question. Thanks for hearing (or is it reading) me! After having flown a few hundred hours on the B737 it was time for a change. I have done my A320 rating but didn't fly the actual aircraft due to some reasons.

Now I have the possibility to choose my new aircraft due to employer change (Yes I realize that I'm lucky ). The options are a 767 or the 787. Since I have not flown long-haul I have no idea what time zones would do to my body. The 767 is being used on short-haul and long-haul, the 787 mainly long-haul. It feels that the 787 would make more sense in my career path (I'm just 3 years in aviation by now). Still I'm not sure about long-haul, what are the pro's and con's of this choice?

Please let me know your thoughts
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Old 30th Apr 2019, 22:27
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Forget the 767, itís ancient and outside Ď merica the options to fly one are very limited should anyhting happen with the outfit you have in mind .

787 is future proof.
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Old 30th Apr 2019, 22:45
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The 777 and 787 also share the same type rating. It's a no brainer.
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Old 1st May 2019, 00:08
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Three years in aviation and you could / will potentially be a heartbeat away from command of a 787 mid Atlantic , my how this industry has changed. Good for you , just a bit shocked about the rapid progression these days of new pilots into advanced flight decks.
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Old 1st May 2019, 01:15
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Originally Posted by 6000PIC View Post
Three years in aviation and you could / will potentially be a heartbeat away from command of a 787 mid Atlantic , my how this industry has changed. Good for you , just a bit shocked about the rapid progression these days of new pilots into advanced flight decks.
Don't see any mention of command in his post!! Absolutely go for the 787! As stated already itís a no brainier!!!
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Old 1st May 2019, 04:35
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Forget the 767, it’s ancient
Maybe so, but built like a brick $hithouse!

767 were awesome aircraft, with an incredible record over a long time. Anyone who's ever flown one loved it, but it wasn't always the easiest aircraft to fly. Each of the three versions Pratts, GE and RR, behaved quite differently especially in the flare and no one could really explain why it landed the way it did...... it almost never could be landed smoothly and generally plonked down quite solidly...... there were three different techniques used for the three versions that we had. The Rollers were the most "consistent" and the -300 was way better than any -200. GE's were the best. Awesome aircraft in a crosswind too!
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Old 1st May 2019, 04:43
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Dont ever choose a job in flying for the equipment. Look at which is the more stable company, salary, benefits, perks etc. The 767 is a good aircraft and a 'HEAVY' so you would easily get another job due to heavy experience.

The 767 will be around for years in the cargo arena with a new upgraded cockpit for the 767, it looks like a G550.

Cargo operators are doing this as it allows the aircraft to be utilized in a more effective way. There are plenty of 767's in use outside of the US as well.

From purely an aircraft point of view go for the 787 but from a common sense point of view look at the stability and opportunities within both companies and where you want to go in life.

Dont let anybody tell you as a 767 pilot with say 4000 hours on type you are unemployable because it is an old design, thats just utter BS!!
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Old 1st May 2019, 08:18
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Lots of good points mentioned , also the 787 does make you feel better after a long flight due to the Humidifier, also the air comes from outside, not the engines ,
has to make a difference over the years
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Old 1st May 2019, 08:45
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Everything else being equal, go for the 767.
The 787/777 will still be available for years after the last 767 is long gone.
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Old 1st May 2019, 09:33
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Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic View Post
Dont ever choose a job in flying for the equipment. Look at which is the more stable company, salary, benefits, perks etc. The 767 is a good aircraft and a 'HEAVY' so you would easily get another job due to heavy experience.

The 767 will be around for years in the cargo arena with a new upgraded cockpit for the 767, it looks like a G550.

Cargo operators are doing this as it allows the aircraft to be utilized in a more effective way. There are plenty of 767's in use outside of the US as well.

From purely an aircraft point of view go for the 787 but from a common sense point of view look at the stability and opportunities within both companies and where you want to go in life.

Dont let anybody tell you as a 767 pilot with say 4000 hours on type you are unemployable because it is an old design, thats just utter BS!!

Thatís my whole point. Donít go for equipment , so forget the 767. I was TR on 75/76. The fantastic jobs I got offered on the 76 were Ethiopian , air Astana and Chinese stuff. Doesnít matter if it flies like a dream....Look to the future .
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Old 1st May 2019, 10:27
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Look at the company, the base, the lifestyle and the money on offer, THEN look at the aircraft type.
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Old 1st May 2019, 10:45
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
Maybe so, but built like a brick $hithouse!

767 were awesome aircraft, with an incredible record over a long time. Anyone who's ever flown one loved it, but it wasn't always the easiest aircraft to fly. Each of the three versions Pratts, GE and RR, behaved quite differently especially in the flare and no one could really explain why it landed the way it did...... it almost never could be landed smoothly and generally plonked down quite solidly...... there were three different techniques used for the three versions that we had. The Rollers were the most "consistent" and the -300 was way better than any -200. GE's were the best. Awesome aircraft in a crosswind too!
While this is all true, the 767Ďs heydays are over. Airlines have for the most part moved on. As has been stated before, the 787/777 is certainly a better choice if you are fresh and have your career still ahead.
767 would be a great machine to retire on, though.
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Old 1st May 2019, 10:57
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Thank you all for the great replies. It gives me great insights on what points to consider. Eventually my preference will go out for the 787 due to a better roster and future proof. And, but not as a first argument, because it's a technical master piece of this time. As well the better humidity is point to consider, we are up there for quite some time Didn't think of the 777/787 same rating point btw, thanks for that as well!

@6000PIC : Due to the fact that these newer aircraft have rising use of computerized interfaces I think that younger people can more easily adapt to these cockpits than older people. Young guys are raised with computers But maybe handling characteristics of the heavy's is something you need more experience for.
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Old 1st May 2019, 16:00
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Originally Posted by 6000PIC View Post
just a bit shocked about the rapid progression these days of new pilots into advanced flight decks.
Really???

Iíve only ever flown in ďadvanced flight decksĒ and the training in the U.K. 20 years ago to allow me to start in one was excellent so I had no problem, despite me not being a Skygod.Ē

On the topic, it goes without saying the 787 is the way to go. Itíll still be here in 10 years time.
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Old 1st May 2019, 22:24
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Personally I would go for the 767, you will get lots of chances to fly the shiny one the next 20 years. Loads of non type rated jobs out there if your company closes.
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Old 1st May 2019, 23:49
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Originally Posted by vizion View Post
The options are a 767 or the 787.
There are literally 4 airlines in Europe operating 767 which can be considered as a first tier: Austrian, TUI, Condor and DHL. Two of them are phasing out 76s and one possibly will change an ownership. Do you really need any more thoughts?
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Old 2nd May 2019, 03:29
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Originally Posted by vizion View Post
Dear all,

I'm new to this forum and have a question. Thanks for hearing (or is it reading) me! After having flown a few hundred hours on the B737 it was time for a change. I have done my A320 rating but didn't fly the actual aircraft due to some reasons.

Now I have the possibility to choose my new aircraft due to employer change (Yes I realize that I'm lucky ). The options are a 767 or the 787. Since I have not flown long-haul I have no idea what time zones would do to my body. The 767 is being used on short-haul and long-haul, the 787 mainly long-haul. It feels that the 787 would make more sense in my career path (I'm just 3 years in aviation by now). Still I'm not sure about long-haul, what are the pro's and con's of this choice?

Please let me know your thoughts
Does your companies 787 have crew rest
But seriously I flew the B767 for 22 years moved to the B787 one year ago. Both aircraft are nice to fly.

For the future 787 is the aircraft to have on your license so many jobs out there.

longhaul versus short haul, well as a young guy with no ties Longhaul is great with nice layovers around the world But itís also a trap..

A) you can loose your social life back home
B) jet-lag will eventual destroy your bodies ability to sleep
C) current FTL can have you flying to the Caribbean and
Deadhead back on the same aircraft
D you could also end up flying as passenger around the world in economy class ( Depending on which airline )
E As a F/O you may be lucky to get 1 landing a month ( most flights these days carry 3 man crew )
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Old 3rd May 2019, 04:15
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As a relatively new guy you need all the aircraft handling experience you can get. Go for the shorter flights not the 3 landings a month you get in long haul.
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Old 7th May 2019, 00:26
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Originally Posted by N1EPR View Post
As a relatively new guy you need all the aircraft handling experience you can get. Go for the shorter flights not the 3 landings a month you get in long haul.
That is the best advice I have seen. Most of the F/Os I fly with have thousands of hours and hundreds of landings yet the simulator is more of a challenge for them because they do not get many takeoffs and approach/landings due to augmented crews.
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