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In the airlines, whats the hardest part of the work?

Old 27th Mar 2019, 22:01
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Originally Posted by TowerDog View Post


There is a program in the USA whereas pilots carry loaded guns to defend the cockpit, after a bit of training, etc.
Was that for pax or cargo flights?
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 22:12
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Getting up for work very early in the morning. I just hated it.
Having to put up with some jerks in the left seat, but you learn to manage.
I was single so I had no problem with lifestyle and family issues. It makes it a lot easier if you're single.
I avoided long haul, can't stand it.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 22:15
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Circumstances conspire against you and life is full of traps. If it wasn't for very helpful parents to mind my child when I am away for 3 to 5 days I would have to give up flying. My ex having her struggles to cope with life. My point being, have your better half support you on this journey of yours. If not, be ready to give it up. Or your dream will turn into a nightmare. Sounds dramatic? Possibly. But I am sure many can say "been there, done that". Depending on who you end up flying for, you could be spending up to 2/3rds of your life in hotels. Or in a crash pad. Away from home, regardless. Long haul a tad better, but you'll be jetlagged instead.

The flying, the crew, the irregularities is grand. Not much to say there.

It's tough on families. It's a young man's game.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 23:16
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Originally Posted by macdo View Post
By far and away the biggest hassle is the constant tension between work and social/family life. The best mitigation is part time and planning to retire as early as you are able. The aggravating factors depend on the airline, but poor rostering, inefficient leave systems, commuting, sleep management, job insecurity, stress around sim/medicals and poor management are all to be considered.

I have rarely met a pilot who doesn't enjoy the job between doors closed and doors opening, but I have met some who find any of the above factors unbearable.

Perhaps, it is a career most suited to single people!
Macdo, I think you have hit the nail on the head!. In addition to security, try immigration and customs for international ops and queues!
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 13:57
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Originally Posted by The Range View Post
Was that for pax or cargo flights?
Pax flights.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 14:36
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Originally Posted by Priority Club View Post
Hardest thing for me is getting called out of standby at 6pm for a 2-sector 2-crew night turn and trying to land at 8am having being on duty for 12 hours and awake for nearly 24 hrs.

Otherwise the hardest bit is keeping fatigue at bay and finding time to do all those things which work gets in the way of: eating healthily, exercising and sleeping.

When the aircraft doors are shut it's the best job. When the doors are open you have no authority or control.
Next time get up dead early, have a nap around two-three pm in the circadian low. Crew members responsibilities rule ok.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 15:37
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1. Pilots
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Twiglet1 View Post
Next time get up dead early, have a nap around two-three pm in the circadian low. Crew members responsibilities rule ok.
Bit of a gamble if you're working for a certain Irish airline, doing a 12 hour home standby starting at 0600 ...
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 16:42
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Originally Posted by Twiglet1 View Post
Next time get up dead early, have a nap around two-three pm in the circadian low. Crew members responsibilities rule ok.
Isnít the circadian low ĎAmí? Iím talking about being adjusted to day time flying and then suddenly being asked to do a 2 crew night flight. Impossible to adjust for properly. Sometimes Iíll nap immediately after being called out and sometimes Iíll nap while on standby but then if you donít get called out it affects your sleep at home. No-win hence the hardest aspect of the job for me personally.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 17:03
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Originally Posted by clvf88 View Post
Bit of a gamble if you're working for a certain Irish airline, doing a 12 hour home standby starting at 0600 ...
On standby in the airlines, are you not able to simply sleep through until whatever time you like and choose to be woken by the standby call?

Forgive my ignorance!

I'd really love to see what an ATP contract looks like!
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 18:15
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You don’t need to be in an Irish airline to do a 12 hour home standby starting at 6am. I’ve just finished 2 in a row. I didn’t get up at 6am though. As AluminBird alluded to, I just put my phone on loud near my pillow and had a normal lie in!
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 18:16
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Originally Posted by AluminBird View Post
On standby in the airlines, are you not able to simply sleep through until whatever time you like and choose to be woken by the standby call?

Forgive my ignorance!
Absolutely correct.

But consider you would have gone to bed early the night before to accomodate a 0600 call-out, so sleeping in will be tough. And if you do sleep in to accomodate the possibility of a 1759 call-out, consider that you may be on standby again at 0600 the following morning and now unable to get the early night you require.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that its all well and good saying 'crew responsibilities' - but to be rested enough for a standby callout at the beginning and end of a 12 hour standby, especialliy with multiple days of it in a row, is (in my experience) impossible.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 20:25
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The number one rule if you have a family is that your spouse has to be 100% behind you. No doubts that they will be able to cope. Because at the end of the day they will be the ones keeping the household together. Picking up the kids from school, doing the parents evenings, Mopping up the tears and the tantrums while you are at work. Your hours are long and irregular and there is virtually no set pattern. You live your roster month to month. And even if you do split up, which is a possibility, they will still be dependant on your roster until your children are 18.

The he job is great, but itís just a job. Make sure you have a life outside of work.

Its also has its family life benefits. Iím the only dad that regularly can drop my kids off and pick them up from the school gates exactly because I have that irregular shift pattern. Not always, but very often.

The job is like any other. Some days are good some are bad and some are downright awful. Most of the people you work with are great, because you all understand the job. Some are absolute idiots, but they are thankfully reducing.

Get your our life out of work sorted and keep nurturing it.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 17:35
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Do difficulties regarding family life not relax a little bit outside the busy summer schedules? There are also part time options as per the other thread.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 19:07
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medicals and the simulator. The older you get (been flying since 23 and now 43) the harder it seems! I've had two small blips in the medical since turning 40...and although I haven't had an issue with a simulator before, the older I get the more pressure I put on myself to perform well! will enjoy retirement in just over 10 yrs when I wont have to worry about either!
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 00:10
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The social side of things can really take a knock from the job. However, in reality, I donít know if I could do anything else now? Iíve done the daily grind, and even with weekends off, I still hate the thought of going back to a desk and doing something that I would only do for money.

Dealing with people with ego. The industry seemed to be a magnet for people with very high opinions of themselves, however itís getting a little less so; possibly? Thereís nothing worse than having to listen to some prat self gratify themselves all the way to the Canaries and back. It makes a long day waaaaaayyy longer. The lowest form of conversation & personality on the flight deck imho
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