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Old 6th Nov 2018, 22:12
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RyanAir just keep on digging ...

Dunno if this has been posted elsewhere ...

It seems after the picture of the 737 crew sleeping on the floor in Portugal did the rounds, RyanAir were a bit upset.

To calm the situation down .. they sacked all 6 of them.

When you are in a hole, stop digging.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46114097
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 22:23
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If you do anything to defam or injur the company that employs you - it is not only an insult but is a violation against your contract. This is gross misconduct and dismissable without notice. They have the right and were totally correct to do this.

People need to grow up - they do not force you to work there - if you don’t like it - go elsewhere or simply don’t apply.

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Old 6th Nov 2018, 23:00
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These idiots should be fired, why on earth would a company ever want people working for them who generate this sort of bad publicity through deception. Hopefully this lot will be better off in the long run but it genuinely serves them right.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 23:08
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Depends if it was deception ... and since the person who posted the image was not one of the crew who was fired, then it's going to be interesting if they sue for unfair dismissal ...

"I was just having a bit of shut eye on the crew room floor, someone took a photo and posted it on the internet and I got fired" ...
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 05:15
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The picture is blatantly fake and most companies would take disciplinary action against any staff behaving in this manner. Aircrew (of any category) are supposed to be professionals. This is not professional behavior.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 06:14
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Originally Posted by The Old Fat One View Post
The picture is blatantly fake and most companies would take disciplinary action against any staff behaving in this manner. Aircrew (of any category) are supposed to be professionals. This is not professional behavior.
I agree, leaving 24 people stranded in the crewroom is very professional and it is exactly what the (+1bn net profit) company should have done.
How silly of those aircrew even thinking of having a proper accommodation after diverting.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 07:12
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Nowhere in my post do I defend RyanAir or their corporate policies.

I'm merely pointing out that in a professional environment, there are professional ways to behave and to make your voice heard (one of which is, as pointed out above, is to hand in your notice). Faking pictures and posting them on social media is unprofessional irrespective of the circumstances and does nothing to further the cause of improving terms and conditions...meh, I guess it might throw a spotlight on things a little bit, but at the cost of losing one's job. Still maybe they all see that as a worthwhile sacrifice, in which case, I guess you can give them a little credit for their altruism.

I'm done.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 08:19
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Originally Posted by TangoAlphad View Post
I've heard several times from several very direct sources Ryanair doesn't bat an eyelid at paying out 100k in a court settlement for unfair dismissal etc. As long as the message is sent to the rest of the working body it is fine.
So do you think that they would just sack people for the sake of it? You are always very well informed about FR. Which FR base do you fly from or Is that you MOL?
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 10:28
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What a ridiculous argument. If you are being treated unfairly or badly at work the choice should not be accept it or quit your job. That is the worst of all worlds. Rules and regulations are meant to be in place to protect employees so they cannot be bullied by powerful companies. There needs to be an avenue where you can challenge the company properly without repercussions or losing your livelihood especially when you have a family to support.

Equally when somebody says those are the terms on offer, take it or leave it...NO! If the terms are rubbish and dont provide a livable wage along with fair and friendly working conditions then you are just taking advantage. Its easy to say dont take the job but when you have a family and kids to support and are jobless you will take it because you have no choice. That is not conducive to a productive environment nor is it representative of a first world western nation that is supposed to provide the highest standards of living because of our democracies and rule of law.

I agree you need to be professional and lying about what is going on in the above mentioned photo does harm the companies image (RYR helps themselves a lot in that department as well) but ask yourself why this is happening and where it came from. RYR has mistreated staff for decades and can afford to just drop 100K on an unfair dismissal payment now and then, staff members cant afford to lose their jobs whn getting utterly despondant about being mistreated so seek some kind of revenge.

If the CAA/Government/watchdog etc were doing their jobs properly and enforcing the law then Michael O'Leary and Ryanair should never have got away with half the stuff they have done over the years and he should have almost been penalised out of business because of his own illegal acts and stupidity.

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Nowhere in my post do I defend RyanAir or their corporate policies.

I'm merely pointing out that in a professional environment, there are professional ways to behave and to make your voice heard (one of which is, as pointed out above, is to hand in your notice). Faking pictures and posting them on social media is unprofessional irrespective of the circumstances and does nothing to further the cause of improving terms and conditions...meh, I guess it might throw a spotlight on things a little bit, but at the cost of losing one's job. Still maybe they all see that as a worthwhile sacrifice, in which case, I guess you can give them a little credit for their altruism.

I'm done.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 11:18
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Immaturity on one side, bullying on the other. Take your pick.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 21:34
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Not really. Total dereliction of the duty of care to employees in one hand and helpless frustration in the other. Sleeping on the floor, hanging around unable to sleep ANYWHERE, what is the difference? They simply made a point that needed to be made. Hopefully this will go to an employment tribunal and we all know which way will that go
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 23:03
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If you do anything to defam or injur the company that employs you - it is not only an insult but is a violation against your contract. This is gross misconduct and dismissable without notice. They have the right and were totally correct to do this.
People need to grow up - they do not force you to work there - if you don’t like it - go elsewhere or simply don’t apply.
Could not agree more.

Depends if it was deception ... and since the person who posted the image was not one of the crew who was fired, then it's going to be interesting if they sue for unfair dismissal ..
The CCTV cameras clearly show them setting up the photo, by lying down in unison, taking the photo, and then getting up and walking away, watch the video. A deliberate and premeditated act designed to sabotage the reputation of the company, and you think they can sue for unfair dismissal ? They have probably caused themselfs irreparable damage because what airline is going to employ them after pulling a stunt like that to another airline ? Would you employ them if you were another airline ? No airline on this planet would have let them get away with doing that. As someone above has said, totally unprofessional. If some people so dislike working for Ryanair, and with so much constant publicity, then why do people apply to work there ?

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Faking and posting it was probably not the best idea but it still would be interesting to know whether Ryanair complied with their duty to provide accommodation for their crew members as per EASA FTL rules.
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 14:14
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Originally Posted by The Old Fat One View Post
Nowhere in my post do I defend RyanAir or their corporate policies.

I'm merely pointing out that in a professional environment, there are professional ways to behave and to make your voice heard (one of which is, as pointed out above, is to hand in your notice). Faking pictures and posting them on social media is unprofessional irrespective of the circumstances and does nothing to further the cause of improving terms and conditions...meh, I guess it might throw a spotlight on things a little bit, but at the cost of losing one's job. Still maybe they all see that as a worthwhile sacrifice, in which case, I guess you can give them a little credit for their altruism.

I'm done.
Couldnt agree more. Very unprofessional and defamatory behaviour by the crew. Any company would have the right to sack these crewmembers. We should be making the indistry better, stooping to this low means we are no better than the likes of Ryanair.
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 15:51
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[QUOTE=cyflyer;10304950]Could not agree more.


The CCTV cameras clearly show them setting up the photo, by lying down in unison, taking the photo, and then getting up and walking away, watch the video. A deliberate and premeditated act designed to sabotage the reputation of the company, and you think they can sue for unfair dismissal ? They have probably caused themselfs irreparable damage because what airline is going to employ them after pulling a stunt like that to another airline ? Would you employ them if you were another airline ? No airline on this planet would have let them get away with doing that. As someone above has said, totally unprofessional. If some people so dislike working for Ryanair, and with so much constant publicity, then why do people apply to work there ?


are you brand new in the comany eh?
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 16:49
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For the benefit of our industry Ryanair shall publish their names in order HR departments are aware.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 13:01
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If they found some accommodations on their own searching the web (contrary to what Ryanair told them that everything was fully booked), they should, as a last resort, have booked their rooms, kept the receipts and than report everything to the appropriate CAA and take whatever actions they wanted in a professional manner and proper place; even if we know that by the Company the behavior was not the same, they should have been above any suspect.

In simple words, they failed to be right. They had a chance to change things but they used the gun pointing to themselves.

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Old 13th Nov 2018, 17:47
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Originally Posted by Windshearescape View Post
I think he makes a very good point. This isn't kindergarten, it's business so wise up and don't make silly pictures for the Internet.
Ok, well maybe Michael O'Liar should remember this when he makes his stupid looking faces at TV appearances. Anyways the bloke is about to be pushed out.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 20:03
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I don't think he really cares at this stage. He is just short of being a billionaire and holds a fair percentage of shares in FR. No doubt he will go back to the racehorses and angus stock for a while and once he gets bored of that start up a newco just like all the other ex FR management have done. To me he has looked increasingly bored these past couple of years as FR has had to morph into a mainstream airline.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 08:19
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Originally Posted by MCDU2 View Post
I don't think he really cares at this stage. He is just short of being a billionaire and holds a fair percentage of shares in FR. No doubt he will go back to the racehorses and angus stock for a while and once he gets bored of that start up a newco just like all the other ex FR management have done. To me he has looked increasingly bored these past couple of years as FR has had to morph into a mainstream airline.
He certainly looks bored and burned out. I can't say that I feel sorry for the clown. But, yeah you're probably right, he's off to do something more fun than running a rubbish, plebby airline.
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