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Old 9th Apr 2018, 09:04
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CCL hiring for Boeing contract pilots

Cambridge Communications LTD is again advertising for contract "pilot" positions at Boeing Training and Flight Services. The terms look okay to some, but they are a large reduction from what they were previously. The biggest problem however is that the need appears to be for pilots to participate in union busting activities at Avianca Airlines. Boeing signed a contract with Avianca at almost the exact same time that Avianca management terminated over 100 pilots for their involvement in union activities. IFALPA, the ECA, and ALPA in the USA have all condemned the actions of Avianca management. ALPA has also condemned Boeing for supplying pilots to Avianca during this dispute. These press releases can be found online and will be posted here in due order.

Whilst many believe that working for Boeing might carry some prestige, nothing could be further from the truth. The CCL positions are not full time Boeing positions. They are looked down upon by other Boeing employees. Many of the current "pilots" have gone one or two years without actually flying an airplane. Many of the contracts are for jumpseat observation only, not flying. It can be career suicide to join this group both by becoming non-current and now the risk of being labelled a union buster.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 05:51
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Recent press releases:
ALPA Urges Boeing to Respect Avianca Workers' Collective Bargaining Rights

In a March 27 letter to the Boeing Company, Capt. Tim Canoll, ALPA's president, denounced a recent decision by the company that will adversely affect Avianca's airline pilots in their fight to bargain a collective agreement with their management.

Following a strike that has now concluded, Avianca management has reneged on a previously accepted agreement that forbids retribution against the striking pilots and has retaliated against the leaders of Asociación Colombiana de Aviadores Civiles, unjustly dismissing more than 100 union pilots.

Following Avianca's recent dismissal of 12 Boeing 787 pilots, ALPA understands that the Boeing Company has agreed to provide 12 Boeing 787 pilots to Avianca for a period of eight months. It appears this agreement would result in the replacement with foreign pilots of the 12 qualified and experienced Colombian airline pilots who honored their union's strike.

President Canoll makes clear in the letter that ALPA's support of the Avianca pilots is unequivocal. We urge the Boeing Company to reconsider its decision and respect international law and trade agreements as well as the collective bargaining rights of Avianca's union workers.

"NO" to the massive firing of Colombian pilots, "NO" to corporate bullying
The European Pilots' Association (ECA) – representing over 38.000 pilots from 37 European countries – firmly condemns the mass firing of pilots and the opening of disciplinary proceedings against pilots of the Colombian Civil Airmen's Association ("ACDAC") by the Colombian air operator AVIANCA. ECA calls on AVIANCA to immediately cease disciplinary proceedings and reinstate the dismissed pilots and calls on the Colombian government to ensure full compliance with the International Labour Organization’s (ILO) Conventions as well as the OECD Corporate Governance principles.The company's goal with its exemplary and disproportionate sanctions is to intimidate the pilot community and thereby prevent any future attempts to defend labour rights. Disciplinary proceedings and dismissals constitute a serious violation of the fundamental rights of Colombian pilots to defend their interests and obtain just and satisfactory working conditions.The restrictions in Colombia on the pilots' right to strike are contrary to the international commitments of the Colombian Government as a signatory state to Convention 87 of the International Labour Organization (ILO) which includes the right of workers to engage in collective bargaining and strike action. The ILO's Committee on Freedom of Association has denied that aircrews can be excluded from the scope of this Convention. The opening of disciplinary proceedings and the dismissal of pilots constitutes an illegal and disproportionate restriction of pilots' rights.
ECA calls on AVIANCA to immediately cease disciplinary proceedings and reinstate the dismissed pilots
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 05:58
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The ethics of taking a job with CCL now need to be discussed. It would appear that any new positions at CCL for the Boeing program would be for assignment to Avianca. The figures from ACDAC are that 107 pilots have now been terminated and another 70 or so left for other jobs prior to getting terminated.

So that brings the total closer to 200 pilots who have been adversely affected by taking part in a legal strike. The vote for the strike was 630/700 in favor so this was a serious enough issue to the Colombian pilots of Avianca to stand up for their rights and to withdraw their services. That any pilot would knowingly and willingly go to work at Avianca as a replacement given those facts defies belief.

Certainly there exists pilots of low moral character and poor ethics so it is probably impossible to prevent some of those types of pilots from joining the program, but one would hope that the audience here listens to the facts and decides appropriately.The other part of this is that the current CCL pilots on contract to Boeing are at risk of termination if they refuse an assignment to Avianca.

The reported threat and intimidation from their managers is very clear, "if you do not go to the assignment your job here will end". Some of the current pilots will quit over this issue, others will go under protest. It beggars beliefthat they have been put into a situation like this. Reportedly Airbus has refused support for Avianca due to the strike and the pilots who work there, now informed of the situation by other pilot unions, have agreed not to participate in union busting activities.The new degraded contract for this CCL position makes the job very different to what it was previously. Under the new terms any deployment is extendable to 42 days so even days off can not be known in advance and must be approved by management.

It basically makes the job six weeks on / two weeks off with almost no possibility to do outside work for lack of schedule clarity. It also makes it impossible to make overtime and penalizes a pilot financially for any sick days. CCL and Boeing are really taking the piss with the new terms. Some pilots may think that their current position is bad and this would be an opportunity to work for a "good" company. Sadly the reputation for that company as an employer is not understood. They make great airplanes, no question, but they are not a labor friendly employer.Another fact off this situation is the 787 qualified pilots who are being deployed to Avianca are only going to be cruise relief first officers.

As stated in the previous post. Many of the assignments of this position are similar or worse. Sometimes they may only be on the jumpseat as an observer. It is very easy to go non-current in the position. So think carefully about going to be a union busting pilot; then losing currency; then trying to find another job when the whole program is terminated.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 13:32
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The PSP (Purchased Service Pilot) Group was created in 2010 to break the FTA (Flight Training Aircraft) union affiliations, and this group is once again Union Busting! This time it's with AVIANCA (Columbia). Many of the B787 crews there from the PSP Group have limited wide-body experience, and all will operate as cruise captains only. CCL (the recruitment agency for Boeing), are currently recruiting additional cruise captains for this contract. The Group has no leadership as the appointed managers have little or no managerial experience.

As stated by Incorruptible1, there exists pilots of low moral character and poor ethics within the Group already there in Bogota, and the other part of the CCL pilots on contract to Boeing are at risk of termination if they refuse an assignment to AVIANCA (Columbia).
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 13:50
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Hmm, your not selling it.
Any good points?
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 18:44
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So, aside from the political stuff of working in a company that has sacked a lot of pilots, what else can you say about the work? Any sim work or is it all on the line or jump seat. More info the better.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 10:37
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Anyone got details of working for CCL?
Roster patterns etc...
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 23:02
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Are there any alternatives in Japan?
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 23:27
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Forbes article on this issue:

Apr 17, 2018 @ 01:04 PM

Boeing Provided Pilots To Replace Avianca Pilots Who Were Fired For Striking, ALPA Says

Ted Reed , Contributor

Boeing sent a dozen 787 pilots to work for Colombia’s Avianca after the carrier fired about a hundred pilots who participated in a seven-week strike that ended in November, the Air Line Pilots Association said.

On Monday, one of the dozen pilots was fired because he refused to fly in place of fired strikers, according to sources familiar with the events.

The fired pilot worked for Boeing’s purchased service pilots group, which provides pilot training for buyers of Boeing aircraft. It does not normally provide pilots to provide scheduled service, the source said.

Boeing spokesman Charles Bickers said the dozen pilots are not Boeing employees, but rather work for a contractor that supplies pilots to Boeing.

"The pilots supporting Avianca are employees of a purchased services supplier, and we don’t discuss supplier personnel matters," Bickers said.

Starting in late March, the contract pilots were flying some of Avianca’s routes from Bogota to Barcelona, London and Madrid.

Boeing sent the pilots to Colombia despite a March 27th letter to CEO Dennis Muilenburg from Tim Canoll, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, asking that it reconsider its move.

“We understand that the Boeing Company has agreed to provide 12 Boeing 787 pilots to Avianca for a period of eight months,” Canoll wrote. “It appears this agreement would result in the replacement of the 12 qualified and experienced Colombian airline pilots who honored the union’s strike.
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 21:56
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https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...-layoffsBoeing has flatly denied accusations by its engineers’ union that it fired a group of seven pilots involved in training airline crew on new aircraft types and replaced them with contract pilots employed by a “shell company” in the Isle of Man. The charges—outlined in a pair of written statements form the International Federation of Technical and Professional Engineers (IFTPA) and its local affiliate, the Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace (SPEEA)—stem from the involuntary layoffs of Boeing’s line assist instructor pilots, whose jobs had become redundant because of a lack of new-model airplane introductions, according to the manufacturer.

“Boeing employs hundreds of pilots to support its operations and its customers around the world,” said the company in a statement. “A small group serves the specific role of in-flight instructors for airlines that purchase a brand-new airplane type for its fleet. In the current business environment where few airlines are expected to introduce all-new models in the near-term, we have made the decision to eliminate the distinct position of line assist instructor pilot.”

According to the SPEEA statement, Boeing representatives said pilots contracted from Isle of Man-based Cambridge Communications Limited would do nearly all simulator and in-flight training involved in the 737 Max’s return to service.

“I was gobsmacked to hear company officials admit that Boeing will exercise zero quality control over these contractor pilots despite costuming them in Boeing uniforms,” said SPEEA executive director Ray Goforth. “The entire fate of the Boeing Company depends upon a smooth re-entry into service of the 737 Max. I cannot believe Boeing chose this moment to fire their highly experienced training pilots and outsource their work to contractors they don’t even control.”

A Boeing spokeswoman characterized the charges as categorically false and the pilot separations as simply part of a wider companywide effort to reduced headcount. She added that Boeing did not “fire” the pilots, and offered them the same opportunity to apply for jobs elsewhere in the organization as it did for the rest of the laid-off employees.

“The small group of line assist instructor pilots has not supported 737 training for several years and was not expected to be involved in 737 Max training when we return the airplane safely to commercial service,” said Boeing.
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 07:04
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Did anyone go for this in the end? I see they still have a job ad out there. Anyone got any first hand experience of working as a 'line assist pilot' with CCL?
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 13:20
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Any chance to know how t&c are?
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Any chance to know how t&c are?


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