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Cadet opportunity on behalf of a friend..

Old 29th Jan 2018, 19:56
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I'd not let that youth do a PA until he'd grasped how to say words with 'th' in them properly.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 22:43
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Originally Posted by FlipFlapFlop View Post
Sorry ChrisE, assumed you were not in the aviation industry from your original post. Are you saying now that your friend has been in a hold pool for 3 years following CTC qualification ?
Ah, sorry if my message came across that way. No I've been involved in aviation since 2010 and in the RHS since 2015. My friend was in the hold pool for 2 years with CTC, but unsurprisingly (despite claiming they have a seniority system when it came to expressing interest in job opportunities) he was told his place in the hold pool would be expunged after CTC basically admitted defeat in linking him with a partner airline (98% of cadets successfully placed according to the crap plastered all over the walls in Nursling).

He's since been applying relentlessly for any RHS position all over the globe, keeping current despite the obvious financial restrictions, and also gaining a SEP rating to try and fly enough hours with the spare cash he does eventually have to apply for Wizz or FlyDubai. He's trying to remain in the industry and create a network of contacts by doing various roles - currently cabin crew with BA.

I've tried my best to get him an interview with my employer, and it looked likely to happen until we outsourced all of our recruitment to a small training school in Crawley.

Once again, thanks to those guys who've made a genuine contribution to this post. As for the guys who love tearing shreds into CTC cadets, wouldn't you be better off browsing the 'Wannabes forums'?
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 05:58
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You have come to this thread to make accusations that CTC shafted your friend. I still await this proof?
If he was shafted, wouldn't it be easier to get a solicitor, he surely can't lose!

The more people that think they "get shafted" by CTC the better, we need less people funding that aviation disease.

CTC is just a glorified flying school nothing more. Says it all when airlines such as Flybe now refuse to use CTC for their recruitment.

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Old 30th Jan 2018, 08:57
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Really? How did you find this out? You can PM if you don’t want to post publicly.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 09:25
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Ah, refuse is probably too strong a word... more like stopped using CTC's recruitment services due to some aviation gods not meeting the standard.

Their stint with CTC was really short lived....
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 09:34
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OP, if your friend has deep pockets there are still type rating schemes in Turkey with Sun Express via Stella in Holland, but from what I hear its hit and miss if you get hired. Having said that, SXS seem to like ex-pats and it may be worth a shot, although he would need to pass the DLR or equivalent and stump up the 30K Euro for the type rating. Don't have any contacts there but we have many cloggies that were there here and talk highly of the work environment. This is SXS Turkey, not SXD we are talking about.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 10:03
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Chris,
Another idea... Becoming cabin crew for easyJet you can apply for an FO position internally. I know 2 people that have. Not sure if the rating is paid for in cash that way or if it's a bond though.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 11:51
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As for the guys who love tearing shreds into CTC cadets
It's not particularly those from CTC that I would criticise, it is all of those who think that a big wad of money and several months at a flying school is a 'short circuit' into a big shiny jet job. It appears very much in this case that CTC has done their job and that is to spit the cadet out at the end of the course with a licence. From there on it is the big wide world that you have to deal with and it's no good trying to hang onto CTC's coat tails. CTC can say that they'll try to get you a job, but the real person who gets you a job is you. And don't aim too high. You would learn a huge amount more that would be of immense value for your future career if your first job was on a piston twin. Not 'glamorous', but if it is 'glamour' that you're after then spend a bit more time being 'glamorous' in the dole queue. Become a flying instructor. Do something to show that you really have an interest in flying. With a brand-new licence you are still very much in the learning stages of your career and those 'un-glamorous' jobs will teach you a huge amount. Stop saying that you've been 'shafted', get out there and take charge yourself. And aim sensibly, or else enjoy that dole queue. Anyone who slags off turbo-prop pilots is not a real pilot and doesn't deserve to be treated as such (just for clarification, I am not a turbo-prop pilot!). I did once know one turbo-prop airline that wouldn't recruit newly qualified cadets as they couldn't cope with the actual work. Makes me wonder if I actually want to fly as pax in an airline that is employing over-opinionated cadets!
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 12:46
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I have a close relative who went to FTE. Self sponsored. Crashed and burned (metaphorically!) in his first PTs. Ended up being recoursed. Knuckled down, grew up, realised the work involved and smashed his exams second time around. Took to the actual flying like a duck to water. Got a job offer within a month of graduating. Two years later, 1500 hours on 737. Latest sim check captain (known to be a tough cookie) said he could see command potential in him. Lad is still in his very early 20s.
Ironically, in his group of mates at FTE, there was another pupil, late 20s, degree in aeronautical engineering. First time exam passes. Graduated at the same time. Still looking for that first break two years later.

Luck or what?
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 13:09
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Anyone who slags off turbo-prop pilots is not a real pilot and doesn't deserve to be treated as such (just for clarification, I am not a turbo-prop pilot!).
This

Coming from the above mentioned school (Here comes the tearing to pieces), I would have jumped at the chance to fly a turboprop. Altough in my case I got a job in a jet, it absolutely wouldnt have mattered to me. And I still cannot seem to understand why some of the cadets from this same school despise turboprop flying. As long as you can make a normal living a job is a job if you ask me...

Oh and currently CTC is barely ''placing'' anyone anywhere. Easyjet is running at full capacity and people who finish now will have to wait a loooong time to get an interview, or start the TR...
I suppose CTC isn't amused about this since they pay Easyjet money so they take their cadets...

Edit: I believe KURA Aviation also got ties with Airlines like FlyBe etc. it's basically an MCC/JOC and after that they usually put you forward to an Airline pretty quick, that's what I've heard about them atleast. Maybe try looking there too?

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Old 30th Jan 2018, 13:14
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OP, if your friend has deep pockets there are still type rating schemes in Turkey with Sun Express via Stella in Holland, but from what I hear its hit and miss if you get hired. Having said that, SXS seem to like ex-pats and it may be worth a shot, although he would need to pass the DLR or equivalent and stump up the 30K Euro for the type rating. Don't have any contacts there but we have many cloggies that were there here and talk highly of the work environment. This is SXS Turkey, not SXD we are talking about.
Another good suggestion, thanks very much I'll pass this on.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 14:06
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ChrisE,
Whilst your concern for your friend is admirable. I feel it is he/she that should be asking the questions and not you. You make your own luck in this world. Stop spoon feeding him/her. Getting into commercial aviation is not easy (for most). I know, I had my own set-backs, however, it made me more determined than ever to succeed. I wish him/her the best of luck.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 18:26
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Watched the video for less than a minute as I couldn't stand to hear anymore "vis", "vat", "vere", "ve".
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 18:27
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Does the recruitment process started in Loganair?
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 07:52
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"It may be the guy not the experience" could be equally valid here. That 5,000 hours turboprop captain should probably concentrate on putting the idea across that he will not be a '5,000 hour captain' (and hence a pain in the arse to the real captain sitting to the left of him) when sitting in the right seat of that jet job.

About the 200 hour kids going straight into those jet jobs, this is probably a double-pronged 'problem':
They will be cheap and they will be happy to stay cheap for quite a few years to come (as long as they can swan about in their uniforms and put 'Airline Pilot' on Farcebook, they will tolerate low pay for a lot longer than the more mature 5,000 hour ex-turboprop captain);
Many of those airlines that take these 200 hour kids are run by managers who themselves started as 200 hour kids.

The second 'problem' that I mentioned is not only a British problem as the Dutch, French and Germans have airlines that are equally as 'guilty'. Outside Europe, in North America and the Antipodes for example, there is a healthy GA sector and pilots grow up as 'real pilots' there before getting that airline job. I am sure that if a certain Major European Airline that has routes across the South Atlantic had its flights manned by that type of 'real pilot' then there would not be very lengthy Threads on here and other Forums (Fora?) about a certain incident there.

I also started watching that video and jumped forwards in big chunks to see if it improved. It didn't. I don't think that there is any risk that I'll ever fly with him but what does really worry me is that I might have him (and his likes) take me somewhere when I am SLF.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 08:02
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 09:20
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Edit: Don't mind me, I was thinking of the DA42. No idea about the DA20.

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Old 31st Jan 2018, 09:27
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Find one on the ground and push down on the tail, as if you were manoeuvring it in a small space. The cockpit is pointing at the sky long before the tail near the ground. It would be a very brusque flare to achieve that and at a very low speed to stop it climbing.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 11:48
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The cringe....

I honestly don't mind people sharing their experiences and posting the occasional selfie on Instagram. But this? Come on, the ''arrogance'' at the end... I don't believe he is even aware of what he is saying is coming across to other people. The guy just did ''circuits 1'', so he has around 8-9 hours of actual flying time, but already comes across like a ''know it all''... (Can you imagine, he already is there for 5 weeks, what a pace for something that is advertised as ''fast-track'')
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 13:42
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My gripe is with a selection based upon how much money you throw, average aptitude (based on your cohort), and an average interview... all of them eminently passable by a mediocre candidate.

Money then is the distinguisher.

And that should always be borne in mind.
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