Cadet opportunity on behalf of a friend..
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Thanks.
With respect to RudderTrimZero's comments, I would also have to agree.
If for no other reason than "great company in the cockpit" (and there ARE many more reasons) I would choose a modular FO any day.
Other reasons inlcude:
Self-confidence (not to be confused with arrogance - a trait from CTC, etc)
A personality (which gets you further than your CTC wings, in my book)
Wider variety of experience (different aircraft types, different weather)
Exposure to a variety of training techniques
Appreciate the value of money
Appreciate the value of a job
Appreciate the value of doing a job they enjoy
Previous career could be of use (e.g. engineering)
Likely to be a grown up
Less inclined for selfies
Sometimes if I arrive into the car park at work a little earlier than planned, I enjoy a few minutes of peace before setting off for the crew room. I often catch a fresh CTC graduate dawdling with significant swagger, sunglasses on, mobile in one hand, jacket unbuttoned. If nothing else, CTC definitely teach them to look the part... And it boils my pish!
As you can probably tell, I have no strong opinions on this subject!
With respect to RudderTrimZero's comments, I would also have to agree.
If for no other reason than "great company in the cockpit" (and there ARE many more reasons) I would choose a modular FO any day.
Other reasons inlcude:
Self-confidence (not to be confused with arrogance - a trait from CTC, etc)
A personality (which gets you further than your CTC wings, in my book)
Wider variety of experience (different aircraft types, different weather)
Exposure to a variety of training techniques
Appreciate the value of money
Appreciate the value of a job
Appreciate the value of doing a job they enjoy
Previous career could be of use (e.g. engineering)
Likely to be a grown up
Less inclined for selfies
Sometimes if I arrive into the car park at work a little earlier than planned, I enjoy a few minutes of peace before setting off for the crew room. I often catch a fresh CTC graduate dawdling with significant swagger, sunglasses on, mobile in one hand, jacket unbuttoned. If nothing else, CTC definitely teach them to look the part... And it boils my pish!
As you can probably tell, I have no strong opinions on this subject!
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Quite simply all I'm asking for is advice on potential opportunities, no matter how obscure (because he's not one of those CTC lads that expects the world and thinks anything under a CFM56 is beneath him). I didn't come onto this forum for opinionated views on CTC, because believe me, as an ex CTC guy myself, I too can't stand them as an organisation.
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Great posts RudderTrimZero and Cirrussy, it’s a shame more senior hiring people don’t share your opinions. Though as a self confident, adult modular trained individual with a previous engineering career, an appreciation of the value of money and of a job plus no inclination for selfies or social media then I would agree with you both.
As such I do not expect preference for modular over the lantern jawed integrated sky gods but a level(ler) playing field would be nice.
As such I do not expect preference for modular over the lantern jawed integrated sky gods but a level(ler) playing field would be nice.
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Just goes to show how low we have fallen the last few years or so.
Self improver, instructing, turboprop, first (often clockwork) jet... the old days when you showed your determination and not your wallet.
Anybody literally with £100K spare cash to burn now can be RHS of a 737/A320, button twiddling magenta line clowns with a facebook fan base, and no aptitude? Don't worry... just throw more cash (training) at it... oh yes Kos should have been a warning.
Self improver, instructing, turboprop, first (often clockwork) jet... the old days when you showed your determination and not your wallet.
Anybody literally with £100K spare cash to burn now can be RHS of a 737/A320, button twiddling magenta line clowns with a facebook fan base, and no aptitude? Don't worry... just throw more cash (training) at it... oh yes Kos should have been a warning.
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Another delicate little flower from CTC finds him/herself offended by a bit of straight talking. Cute.
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Just goes to show that despite the many ways into this job,
can come from all avenues.
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Quite a few keyboard heroes in this thread, keep it going guys, Im having some more popcorn while reading this.
Someone just asking advice/doing some networking for a friend, and just look how some people are replying....
Edit: That must have been one of the bigger cringeworthy videos I have seen in a while...
Someone just asking advice/doing some networking for a friend, and just look how some people are replying....
Edit: That must have been one of the bigger cringeworthy videos I have seen in a while...
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Stocious, I apologise. I'm being antagonistic, and I do realise that you aren't all a bad bunch!
Unfortunately, a natural pilot will be a natural pilot no matter where they learn to fly. A Mummy's boy with £100k to blow straight after school will most likely go to the big training establishments (and sadly go on to get a job).
The elephant in the room, however, is that the original poster's mate went to CTC and isn't getting jobs. Maybe he's just not up to it? Maybe he's an unlikeable character in interview? As has been stated already, you might have a licence but there's no entitlement to a job.
Unfortunately, a natural pilot will be a natural pilot no matter where they learn to fly. A Mummy's boy with £100k to blow straight after school will most likely go to the big training establishments (and sadly go on to get a job).
The elephant in the room, however, is that the original poster's mate went to CTC and isn't getting jobs. Maybe he's just not up to it? Maybe he's an unlikeable character in interview? As has been stated already, you might have a licence but there's no entitlement to a job.
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That video made my eyes bleed.
This is what happens when the whole thing becomes marketing, with aptitude and ability not even a close second to cash, failed your IR? No problem.... more dosh please.
Sorry I was raised the old way, and whilst might be considered a dinosaur it was only twenty years ago everything was completely different, at least then the cadetships that existed (BA) took good quality motivated candidates with aptitude and all this CTC (and others) money "route" didn't thankfully exist.
And wtf is that "uniform"?
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He's since been applying relentlessly for any RHS position all over the globe, keeping current despite the obvious financial restrictions, and also gaining a SEP rating to try and fly enough hours with the spare cash he does eventually have to apply for Wizz or FlyDubai. He's trying to remain in the industry and create a network of contacts by doing various roles - currently cabin crew with BA.
I've tried my best to get him an interview with my employer, and it looked likely to happen until we outsourced all of our recruitment to a small training school in Crawley.
Once again, thanks to those guys who've made a genuine contribution to this post. As for the guys who love tearing shreds into CTC cadets, wouldn't you be better off browsing the 'Wannabes forums'?