Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Terms and Endearment
Reload this Page >

Thomas Cook Balearics

Wikiposts
Search
Terms and Endearment The forum the bean counters hoped would never happen. Your news on pay, rostering, allowances, extras and negotiations where you work - scheduled, charter or contract.

Thomas Cook Balearics

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 24th Nov 2017, 10:37
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: location location
Posts: 89
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thomas Cook Balearics

Is this a new Thomas Cook Airline based in Palma?
Any one know what the terms and conditions are like because they are asking for Direct Entry Captains and F/O 's on narrow body Airbus to be based in Majorca.
Is this the end for Thomas Cook UK because of Brexit maybe?
Answers on a postcard to the CAA "Sleeping on the job dept" whilst the entire UK airline business goes down the pan.
charlies angel is offline  
Old 24th Nov 2017, 16:53
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: at the end
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yes - its their managements cynical attempt to undermine existing crew with cheaper labour.
favete linguis is offline  
Old 24th Nov 2017, 21:47
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: uk
Posts: 470
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Charlies Angel asks a rhetorical question as he is very much aware of the facts.
Pingu is really pushing the boat out now.
SFCC is offline  
Old 25th Nov 2017, 01:30
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Polution
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Looks like they are already securing people.Selection through OSM.Start next summer season.Pay around 80k gross...
Chiquitete is offline  
Old 28th Nov 2017, 17:42
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Up front
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Superpilot, I would certainly not consider myself, as from the arse end of the universe! However I do need a job, I do need to feed the kids, I do need to pay the mortgage etc.... where are these better jobs? The sandpit, China? What about the quality of live. What about the family.

I hope you’ve never been made redundant, and experienced the empty numbing sick feeling of worry.

I haven’t applied, but I might,

Please don’t a fence.
LHS320 is offline  
Old 28th Nov 2017, 22:14
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: uk
Posts: 913
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
T&C's
Capt 5100-8000 Euro / month
FO 2900-3700
SO 2000
dependent on hrs.
60E per diem
8-12 days off depends on the programme
leave accrual 2.5 days per month worked.
Spanish statutory sick pay.

Draw your own conclusions.
macdo is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2017, 08:21
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Up front
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Superpilot,
Commiserations!!
LHS320
LHS320 is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2017, 08:29
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: England
Posts: 436
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A forced base move is rather different from redundancy.
Capt Scribble is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2017, 08:51
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'll do a couple of years here, get some experience and then move on to a better job.

Oh.... wait.... there are no longer any decent jobs. They've all gone because they were undercut by bottom feeders like TCX Balearics and Ryanair.

Avoid.
Bernoulli is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2017, 09:00
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: uk
Posts: 913
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Capt Scribble
A forced base move is rather different from redundancy.
Yes, it is different. Like an oncoming tsunami, your survival will depend on your exact position when it strikes. For some, the TC base closures will result in their leaving the business, so de facto redundancy, for others it will merely be an inconvenient extra commute. The point is, that TCABal is a very long thin wedge to be inserted where the currently employed pilots will find it most painful. While I can't blame RudderTrimZero discouraging people from applying for these jobs, we all know that people will do what is currently best for themselves. If I were unemployed with bills to pay, I'd probably be typing the application right now. But, it is worthwhile knowing that by doing so, you are also stabbing yourself in the back as the the only way for T&C's to go from here is down. 2k for a SO with no benefits, really?
How cheap will pilots sell themselves, I can tell you as it happened with the glut of GA pilots in the early 1990's. They will work for free, some will even pay for the privilege.

Last edited by macdo; 29th Nov 2017 at 10:07.
macdo is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2017, 09:51
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: at the end
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
2k for a SFO with no benefits, really?
Thats euros, GBP equates to £1760.00. Given UK minimum wage is £7.50 and average working week 40hrs then this is only £560 more. Which effectively suggests that the SFO is regarded as being 47% better than minimum wage.
favete linguis is offline  
Old 1st May 2018, 12:14
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: FL510
Posts: 910
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Project to be discontinued, I hear?
safelife is offline  
Old 1st May 2018, 15:56
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by safelife
Project to be discontinued, I hear?
It's not happening, is it??.
PA28161 is offline  
Old 1st May 2018, 16:40
  #14 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: location location
Posts: 89
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Are you thinking of the link up with Niki Lauda that became Laudamotion.Believe that was canned because Ryanair came in and bought 75% of the company
charlies angel is offline  
Old 2nd May 2018, 20:17
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: FL510
Posts: 910
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The rumour here is that Balearics, having trouble crewing their planes in PMI, operating mostly out of Hanover and Paderborn, would considered to be integrated into the german TC Aviation (the Air Berlin spin off).
safelife is offline  
Old 16th May 2018, 14:55
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: FL510
Posts: 910
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Latest news, no more crew basing in PMI, all crew (FD and cabin) to be based Hanover.
safelife is offline  
Old 16th May 2018, 18:55
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: uk
Posts: 913
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
That'll make the job all the more attractive.
macdo is offline  
Old 23rd May 2018, 08:14
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 1,958
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
"Project to be discontinued" ? The sole driver of the project was to drive down pilot pay and conditions (nothing whatever to do with Brexit). To that end it's good for ALL pilots if the wicked plan is failing. But can anyone confirm or deny?
ShotOne is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2018, 20:16
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: The rock
Posts: 291
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I recently have seen a job offer for cabin crew based in MAD and PMI with thomas cook balearics... anybody can comment on that?
matt283 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.