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Old 19th Nov 2017, 18:49
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A320 part time

Anybody's hiring A320 skippers part time these days?
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Yes.

Titan Airways.

75% pay (15 duties in 28 days - minimum day off blocks of 3)

60% pay (14 on/off fixed).
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Many Chinese contracts offer part time.
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I'm talking part time as in working less than having free time.

Lets say one week a month
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On a 320? That‘s not possible even with the best airlines out there.
I mean they have to keep you current and everything. So if you worked only 25% a month, you‘ll become really expensive.
On long range it‘s happening tho. Full time (no overhours) in October I did 6 long flights and 10 days away from home. 21 days off.
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Well, why not possible? Who says they have to keep you current?

But indeed not with the best airline, but with the worst it is :-P

Ryanair was trying so hard to push it.

It works like that - you pay your own training, hotels, uniform etc and you get paid per flying hour you fly.

Not exactly what I am looking for, but it is certainly economically very interesting for an airline.
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Thats simply freelance work then. Probably paid per day. Some smaller airlines offer that, larger ones with an organized workforce usually don’t, simply because they work with a fixed contract where the company has to pay for everything, in which case training and overhead cost become limiting and part time beyond 50% is simply too expensive. With clever bidding one can get to a similar work life balance though, especially if flying long haul with the longer rest times.
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There are 320 jobs and companies out there who will take on “freelance” pilots. It’s all about what you have to bring to the table. That might be flexibility and availability, training qualifications, specific route / airport experience etc.

Just saw (another) advertisement from Titan looking for airbus pilots. Have they been growing a lot over past year or so or just losing a lot of people?

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Air Tanker seem to recruit a lot of contractors (almost exclusively) these days. Obviously it’s A330 and not guaranteed hours, but I understand they are all doing pretty well. I think many only flew A320 before they joined too.
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I saw the t&cs sheet for titan - very low pay, a ridiculous 1% pension, and apparently legal minimum days off roster (maybe more in the winter), with regular standbys requiring 30 minutes from call to crew room report, which means practically living at the airport. The part time options didn't look any more appealing.
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Midnight Cruiser,

The pay at Titan Airways starts at £90,700 for a Captain and £57,300 for an experienced FO - plus flying duty pay of approximately £7,000 and £4,000 respectively. There is an annual pay review in April, so expect these figures to increase slightly. The company is profitable and has paid bonuses in most of it’s 30 years.

Titan will type rate and bond the correct types of candidates as well - no up front payment required for type ratings.

The pension isn’t 1%, it is 3%, which isn’t good compared to others - but you were being factually incorrect, so I highlight this to prove the point.

You will fly approximately 500 hours per year - not 800~900 hours per year.

Part time work is an option immediately. You are treated as a grown up and people know your name, not your staff number.

Titan need pilots because they have increased the Airbus fleet in the last 9 months. There has been virtually no attrition in 12 months, but there have been promotions, new trainers, DEC, DEFO, a cadet scheme (type rating paid for by company) and a second wave of cadet recruitment (again, type rating paid for by the company)....amongst lots of other stuff going on.

Sure, there are some higher paid gigs, but not many for the amount of flying you’d do at Titan.
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And do you seriously think Ryanair will pay you by the hour and let you choose when or how much you fly? You are paid by the hour but they call the shots. You fly when and from where it suits them. Your private life is absolutely of no interest to them.
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Sorry, 3%. Anyway, to me its the number of days off/pay ratio which is important, and this looks poor; especially since standbys basically mean sitting next to the phone in uniform. But granted, to keep on subject, if one was looking for a wind down towards retirement or something, on the 320, it might well suit some folk. And I do applaud the full provision of the type rating. I have heard good things operationally - its just on paper I was underwhelmed.

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75% - 15 duties in 28 with days off in minimum blocks of 3 days at a time, plus 100% of flying duty pay.

50% - 14 on/off fixed pattern with pay at 60%, plus 100% of flying duty pay.

Standby policy - a limited amount of crew on 30 minute standby, remainder on 2 hour call out.
A shame you were underwhelmed, but it is what it is. A small, UK based company that treats it's staff with respect and without working them to the bone.
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Since the upturn in the jobs market a healthy number of pilots have left Titan for bigger airlines offering better Pay, Conditions, Roster practices, benefits, perks, pensions etc..
Expect to be away alot for short / long periods and often at short notice.

On the upside the airline has a very friendly feel to it both with the crew and in the office.

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