SAS Ireland SAIL
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Between a rock and a hard place
Posts: 1,268
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
SAS Ireland still flying and doesn't even look like they cancel flights due to lack of pilots.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Between a rock and a hard place
Posts: 1,268
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Says little about the overall crewing situation though.
I believe there are a couple of Neos without engines parked up in Hamburg destined for SAIL. Possibly the engine issues cover up the crewing issues. Who knows. SAS hasn't managed the crew shortage very well. And the public speech in Sweden that is what due to crew calling sick en mass was ridiculous and no less manipulative than O'Learys weak attempt at covering up their crewing issue last year.
I believe there are a couple of Neos without engines parked up in Hamburg destined for SAIL. Possibly the engine issues cover up the crewing issues. Who knows. SAS hasn't managed the crew shortage very well. And the public speech in Sweden that is what due to crew calling sick en mass was ridiculous and no less manipulative than O'Learys weak attempt at covering up their crewing issue last year.
Join Date: May 2017
Location: The rock
Posts: 291
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I heard crew based in spain for sas ireland is on the temporary english contract and paying taxes in ireland
Anybody able to confirm that?
Anybody able to confirm that?
Last edited by matt283; 7th Jul 2018 at 10:29.
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 354
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
New contracts out.
Pension increased to 5%. (Have to, by UK law. But there is a maximum amount you can save)
£1000/£1500 yearly allowance towards the cost of LOL. FO/CPT
No increase in pay. And in return they can adjust to a random roster in order to crew the flights.
And this is supposed to solve their crewing crisis. Stick that up your a**
Pension increased to 5%. (Have to, by UK law. But there is a maximum amount you can save)
£1000/£1500 yearly allowance towards the cost of LOL. FO/CPT
No increase in pay. And in return they can adjust to a random roster in order to crew the flights.
And this is supposed to solve their crewing crisis. Stick that up your a**
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Dk
Age: 33
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
not suprised at all.
TCs remain the same, crap, and this is why pilots are leaving.
Only youngsters remain, or skippers willing for part time.
SAIL will not go far.
I assume the last 3 aircrafts will be sent directly to Scandiland.
I think this experiment was a failure like the previous ones attempted by SAS mainline.
TCs remain the same, crap, and this is why pilots are leaving.
Only youngsters remain, or skippers willing for part time.
SAIL will not go far.
I assume the last 3 aircrafts will be sent directly to Scandiland.
I think this experiment was a failure like the previous ones attempted by SAS mainline.
Today I see all aircrafts are flying..
Are more people about to leave?
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Europe
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
EI-SIF only flying OSL-LHR-OSL with one hour delay due to FLIGHT DECK CREW SHORTAGE. And TOS was cancelled this morning to move an mainline A/C to AMS due to SAIL shortage according to my friend.
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 354
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not quite true.
Large age range in both seats, with a very high Union membership. BALPA, IPA and SELPA. Probably about 90% are refusing to work days off until there's a drastic improvement. So many are refusing easy money now in the hope of more rewards later.
CAE are a bunch of misers, and probably don't want to fork out money for a CCQ onto A320
Large age range in both seats, with a very high Union membership. BALPA, IPA and SELPA. Probably about 90% are refusing to work days off until there's a drastic improvement. So many are refusing easy money now in the hope of more rewards later.
CAE are a bunch of misers, and probably don't want to fork out money for a CCQ onto A320
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Sweden
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Recruitment
It’s an impressive amount of recruitment ads and mails they have had for the positions in SAIL, not to mention all the screening days...
And for what, 40 positions? Wonder what all that have cost...
And for what, 40 positions? Wonder what all that have cost...
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Scandinavia
Age: 47
Posts: 149
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From CAE Parc Aviation Facebook:
"Great day at CAE London Gatwick! Thank you to all our fantastic candidates who attended, and the very helpful CAE staff.
Next week we are in Manchester!
SAS Ireland our partner airline continue to grow and develop their London Heathrow base!
This is a perfect opportunity for Airbus Fleet Captains and A320 First Officers to enjoy a stable roster and be in command of the newest fleet of A320neo aircraft."
Continue to grow? Develop their LHR base? Stable Roster?
I have checked SAIL traffic regularity in our (SAS) system - it's quite an impressing amount of flights cancelled due to lack of flight deck crew, or delayed flight due to flight deck crew shortage.
"Great day at CAE London Gatwick! Thank you to all our fantastic candidates who attended, and the very helpful CAE staff.
Next week we are in Manchester!
SAS Ireland our partner airline continue to grow and develop their London Heathrow base!
This is a perfect opportunity for Airbus Fleet Captains and A320 First Officers to enjoy a stable roster and be in command of the newest fleet of A320neo aircraft."
Continue to grow? Develop their LHR base? Stable Roster?
I have checked SAIL traffic regularity in our (SAS) system - it's quite an impressing amount of flights cancelled due to lack of flight deck crew, or delayed flight due to flight deck crew shortage.
Join Date: May 2017
Location: The rock
Posts: 291
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: May 2017
Location: The rock
Posts: 291
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Very high turnover of staff is always indicator of very bad t&c.
I think SAIL were very lucky to start the operation after Monarch bankruptcy.
However now with base in Malaga I don't see anybody who would be interested to work for them.
Only option would be very low hours guys straight after flight school, but they ask for min 500h on a320, so it doesn't work for them neither...
The main question is how much longer they will try to keep it working?
Another thing is why they don't even try to raise the t&c?
I think SAIL were very lucky to start the operation after Monarch bankruptcy.
However now with base in Malaga I don't see anybody who would be interested to work for them.
Only option would be very low hours guys straight after flight school, but they ask for min 500h on a320, so it doesn't work for them neither...
The main question is how much longer they will try to keep it working?
Another thing is why they don't even try to raise the t&c?
Why, because lower T&C is the sum total of SAIL's reason for being. SAIL is an effort to circumvent the, relatively, high T&C enjoyed in Scandinavia. The most deplorable thing about SAIL is not the company itself, but rather accepting the thing becoming a reality by 'legacy' staff members. Someone posted a map of the routes expected to be flown by SAIL, and only a small proportion are to/from LHR and AGP - the rest is all around Europe and intra-Scandinavia. That's not how SAIL was initially sold to SAS employees, but anyone with just two functioning brain cells should have told themselves, that a fleet of 9 aircraft is way more than is needed to operate LHR-Scandi and AGP-Scandi.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Between a rock and a hard place
Posts: 1,268
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think we all realized quite quickly what the real intent of SAIL was. The unions have stood helpless watching this unfold with little they could, legally, do. One wonders if the current panic recruitment to mainline is a result of failed recruitment to SAIL. I read in the news today, for what it's worth, that 80 % of the SK-cancellations are due to the inability of SAIL and CityJet to deliver and mainline has stepped in to cover up.
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: UK
Posts: 206
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Meanwhile Norwegian have applied for a Swedish AOC which they expect to be granted by the fall, application to the US authorities may take a little longer.
Given the companies stated objective to streamline and harmonise AOC’s there is much speculation that the Swedish authorities will allow cross AOC flying by pilots from NAS/NAN/NUK the IAA are not so keen apparently.
maybe the grass is not so green in Ireland and after all
Given the companies stated objective to streamline and harmonise AOC’s there is much speculation that the Swedish authorities will allow cross AOC flying by pilots from NAS/NAN/NUK the IAA are not so keen apparently.
maybe the grass is not so green in Ireland and after all
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: 60 north
Age: 59
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Cherry Picking AOCs , nice one.
I do think this Industry has gone bonkers mad.
In Europe , that is supposed to be the same!
Or are they hunting for The Competent Authority and finding none,,,,,,,,
I do think this Industry has gone bonkers mad.
In Europe , that is supposed to be the same!
Or are they hunting for The Competent Authority and finding none,,,,,,,,