EASY jet strike AMS
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Sounds like the workers have one hand tied behind their back, or they can only bring a knife to a gun fight. It's about time some of the union funds was spent on better lobbyists; if there are any now?????
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Unions do pay lobbyists. But it depends of course how much money any union has available. And ECA is lobbying in brussels on behalf of the single unions as those can only lobby with their national governments. I would say that the ECA budget is way too low for the amount of work they have to do, it is a very tiny organization.
Big companies always have much deeper pockets for lobbyists, even the small ones can afford usually more than the unions can.
Big companies always have much deeper pockets for lobbyists, even the small ones can afford usually more than the unions can.
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The elephant in the room is why UK pilots have so little protection.
Who do you blame for this? The pilots themselves? Their union?? The EU???
Hard to believe employment protections vary so much across Europe after so many years of EU membership.
F&B
Who do you blame for this? The pilots themselves? Their union?? The EU???
Hard to believe employment protections vary so much across Europe after so many years of EU membership.
F&B
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The EU???
The most interesting example on this is steel plant that TATA wants to close/ sell or whatever due to low steel prices.. Everybody in the UK was blaming the EU and others but interestingly it was Cameron himself who wanted to keep the tax on Chinese steelimports much lower than the rest of the EU! But in the mean time the Dailymail and the likes had a field day blaming it all on Europe..
Who do you blame for this?
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"UK EZY pilots have no option but to cover those flights if rostered to do so"
You can always call in sick. When you help other pilots to improve their T's & C's in the end you're help yourself, if you don't you're hurting yourself.
And I can smell a lot of scabs here. Pilots always their worst enemies.
You can always call in sick. When you help other pilots to improve their T's & C's in the end you're help yourself, if you don't you're hurting yourself.
And I can smell a lot of scabs here. Pilots always their worst enemies.
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Are you so short sighted, selfish and foolish that you can't see passed your own glare shield or windscreen of your Skoda diesel? You're not improving just his T&C's. It's yours too along with several thousand others. Orrrrrrrr, you can be a coward and lower the bar. Don't justify your lack of a backbone to me. In the US, your name would be on a master list...but then again, we invented it, YOU perfected it...
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In the US, your name would be on a master list...but then again, we invented it, YOU perfected it...
Now picture that each US state has to have its own pilots union, even if all pilots are employed in one company. That the employment laws are different in each state and most do not allow to refuse work even if the pilots of the same company working under a different contract in a different state are on strike.
Of course, pilots could call in sick. The first time that happens it will go through, the second time it happens each separate union will be sued for an illegal strike, in most states found guilty and liable for any damages the airline has suffered.
As a union rep i have to deal with the conditions we live in, not some phantasy ones we wish we had. Yes, last time i was organizing a strike action i couldn't do anything against the fact that all of a sudden a lot of austrian registered aircraft sat on the tarmac in germany, their crews in the hotel just waiting to take over. And i don't blame those crews, they had the choice between working, or never working for that airline group again.
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Calling in sick just kicks the can down to the standby crew who won't be impressed at the position you have put them in.
You could also run the risk of being interviewed by HR for pattern sickness because the dodging the requirement to be available during industrial action could demonstrate a pattern if you did it more than once.
Negotiation would be best practice.
You could also run the risk of being interviewed by HR for pattern sickness because the dodging the requirement to be available during industrial action could demonstrate a pattern if you did it more than once.
Negotiation would be best practice.
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The other strike was broken by flying in scabs as this is allowed under UK law
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Calling in sick just kicks the can down to the standby crew who won't be impressed at the position you have put them in.
You could also run the risk of being interviewed by HR for pattern sickness because the dodging the requirement to be available during industrial action could demonstrate a pattern if you did it more than once.
Negotiation would be best practice.
You could also run the risk of being interviewed by HR for pattern sickness because the dodging the requirement to be available during industrial action could demonstrate a pattern if you did it more than once.
Negotiation would be best practice.
The stby crews Will have to show a minimum of Balls Also, along with all the colleuges. If we dont, Whats the point of threatning with a strike (war) when management knows no one has the Balls to really fight for their terms. When It Comes Down to a strike, its war. War is not pretty, and it takes guts. Otherwise we Loose.
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No you wont... You dont have to Call in Sick on every flight, bit if everyone does it, and a little coordintion is done between the crews,
Remember the co ordinated sickie thrown by Cabin Crew at a National Carrier a few years back? It annoyed the passengers more than the management.
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Like so much on here, there is widespread ignorance of the law. For our US colleagues, easyJet is a UK-based company with bases all over Europe and employs pilots on different contracts depending on which country they are based in due to different taxation, employment laws, pensions, social security arrangements etc. They nonetheless operate to a common set of SOPs and so a Berlin-based French captain can be called out to operate in Italy etc.Love her or hate her, Margaret Thatcher basically destroyed the power of the Unions in the UK. Her legacy is is that UK laws are absolutely anti-union and there are specifically no protections in place for those who try to have sympathetic strike action, secondary picketing etc. Therefore it is common practice to use UK-based crews to cover strike action elsewhere. So if a UK-based pilot were to refuse to operate out of AMS, that would open him/her up to disciplinary action. Unless you live in the UK, you do not understand how it works, but any UK-based pilot will tell you that to refuse to go is not really a credible option.
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4runner
I am not an airline pilot at present. No cowardice here.
Why don't you strike?
If all you brave pilots at your airline went on strike to support the AMS strike, perhaps that would have an effect?
Too chicken?
I am not an airline pilot at present. No cowardice here.
Why don't you strike?
If all you brave pilots at your airline went on strike to support the AMS strike, perhaps that would have an effect?
Too chicken?
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It's not as easy as that to call a strike in the uk. Takes an awful lot to organise and generally will end up in the courts for a judge to decide if the strike can go ahead. Not as simple as announcing we will go on strike next week.
UK pilots do sympathise with our AMS colleagues, but if the UK pilot is called out to cover and he/she refuses then they will be down the job centre looking for a new job, there is no protection for the UK based pilot.
UK pilots do sympathise with our AMS colleagues, but if the UK pilot is called out to cover and he/she refuses then they will be down the job centre looking for a new job, there is no protection for the UK based pilot.
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Tourist?
UK pilots have been beaten and scattered by the industry and the weak UK labour laws.
If you asked the question of 10 UK pilots, you would get this sort of response:-
2 would say 'bring it on'
4 would say 'I'm scared of losing my job'
2 would say 'what would the public think'
2 would say 'I'll just look after myself, thank you'.
And that's all before you even ask your unions permission.
Balls, UK pilots do not have.
Discuss.
F&B
UK pilots have been beaten and scattered by the industry and the weak UK labour laws.
If you asked the question of 10 UK pilots, you would get this sort of response:-
2 would say 'bring it on'
4 would say 'I'm scared of losing my job'
2 would say 'what would the public think'
2 would say 'I'll just look after myself, thank you'.
And that's all before you even ask your unions permission.
Balls, UK pilots do not have.
Discuss.
F&B