Easyjet DEP recruitment
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If easyJet are short of captains, they should start by not wasting people's time in the recruitment process.
I found the process to be frustrating, in that the communication was utterly abysmal, with the recruitment team losing paperwork at important moments and not keeping written promises about timelines.
Not a good advert for future treatment, my interest stalled early on. In fact, a poor show all round. Investors and management take note: they're getting things very badly wrong indeed.
I found the process to be frustrating, in that the communication was utterly abysmal, with the recruitment team losing paperwork at important moments and not keeping written promises about timelines.
Not a good advert for future treatment, my interest stalled early on. In fact, a poor show all round. Investors and management take note: they're getting things very badly wrong indeed.
In my recent experience, Narrow Runway, you could make the same comment for most airlines recruiting at the moment. I have found airline HR departments, in both the UK and abroad, to be pretty dreadful.
It seems to be the way the airline world is going - crying out for applicants and qualified, experienced staff but treating them with disdain and being incredibly inefficient.
I totally agree with you.
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I found the easy way to be anything but. Short notice period for assessment days, completely in ignorance that rosters are published monthly, and more than likely, il'll be at work the days they have assessment. If contact you seem to receive a semi personal " hope this email finds youwell" to then completly revert be a cut n paste response, not being specific to my request.
Like the guys above , ill withdraw my application as emails speak louder than words
Like the guys above , ill withdraw my application as emails speak louder than words
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You will not find me defending easyJet's pilot recruitment team as they have made some shocking errors. However, I have to say that if you do not like the deal on offer then go somewhere else. There is no one with a gun at your head making you join easyJet and if you think you can get a better job somewhere else then good luck to you. Just do not come here and whine that no one told you what deal you were on because it is crystal clear to you when you sign the contract. Sorry to seem so harsh, but you need to hear it like it is, rather than how you wish it was.
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Epsilon Vaz,
They don't need to imply anyone to pander to potential pilots. What they do need to do is to stop saying things that they cannot deliver on. For instance: We will contact you within 7 days with a result of your sim. My result took nearly a month and it was a very successful sim.
Like another poster said, we live in the real world.
No hard feelings to anyone, the cost could be nothing, just don't over promise and under deliver.
easyJet are undoubtedly a good employer, but they tried their level best to hide that at times during the recent captain recruitment drive.
Safe flying.
They don't need to imply anyone to pander to potential pilots. What they do need to do is to stop saying things that they cannot deliver on. For instance: We will contact you within 7 days with a result of your sim. My result took nearly a month and it was a very successful sim.
Like another poster said, we live in the real world.
No hard feelings to anyone, the cost could be nothing, just don't over promise and under deliver.
easyJet are undoubtedly a good employer, but they tried their level best to hide that at times during the recent captain recruitment drive.
Safe flying.
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Count Of Monte Bisto are you not reading what these people are saying? They didn't say they don't like the deal on offer, they said the recruitment process is shocking. And to be honest if Easyjet want pilots (which they clearly do) then they should treat people a little bit better than the contempt they're showing at present and stick to what they say they'll do. After all these aren't cadets they're dealing with, they're experienced pilots who don't actually need the job, they just want the job, spot the difference.
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As I have said, the pilot recruitment process at easyJet leaves a great deal to be desired. Plastic787 has correctly alluded to the 40 or so guys in 2013 who were shamefully treated by being offered jobs and then had the job offers rescinded. There should have been serious disciplinary action as it was a great embarrassment to us as a company and great hurt to those involved, but that sadly did not happen. So yes, it may indeed be true that some of you have received e-mails that are incorrect, unhelpful or inaccurate - I am not directly involved in that, so do not know what is true and what is not. All I can say however, is that despite some of the rubbish written on here by people who know virtually nothing about easyJet other than that their aircraft are orange, it is a good place to be. Once you escape the recruitment process, you start to meet real people - i.e. the pilots and cabin crew you will actually work with. They are a great bunch and make it all worthwhile. And there is a route from being the lowest cadet earning a pittance to the most senior Training Captain earning a good salary. The exact salary I earn right now is still available to anyone who joins today. There is no doubt that, like all airlines, there are significant downward pressures on terms and conditions, but right now that is where we are. EasyJet is not a perfect company but it is pretty good. It is up to you if you want to be here - but most people who come here enjoy it.
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And your solution to it is? Do you think there is a thing that pilots can do other than be unionised? And please do not say that pilots should refuse to join and 'that would show them'. The next pilots on the list would just say 'thank you very much' and taken an even worse deal. Unions are what protect easyJet (unlike Ryanair) and that is why we need to remain that way. The mere fact that we have so many pilots turning up at our door looking to join us means that in the supply and demand stakes we are already on a loser. Way more people want to work for us than we have jobs to give out. The sad truth is that if the price of a type rating doubled today there would still be countless young people turning up with their parents' money to join us. That is what drives down terms and conditions - simple economics.
Just out of interest, we have just had our annual pay offer for the UK contract - 2% (way above inflation) plus we have also been given £3k worth of shares and a 4.6% one-off payment for our performance bonus (FOs got more for some strange reason). Bearing in mind, all captains in the UK earn more than £100k a year, that seems good news to me. It is hardly a disaster, but listening to some of you on here it clearly would be. As I have said, if you could get a better job then I am sure you would not be wasting your time on here, but given that easyJet is clearly on your radars then it is not all bad - I am certainly managing to cope with the 'disappointments' of my pay this year. It is undoubtedly true that our senior managers and directors will be substantially better off and some will make millions. I am a simple soul, however, and am happy just to take the 'trickle-down' effect. Sure we are making our shareholders (which most pilots are) a pile of money, but we are also doing pretty well ourselves. Go to the public sector in the UK and ask them what sort of pay rise they got. I suspect if you went to any of the majors you would find they did not get that either. So talk of employees subsidising bottom lines is really not accurate. There is a route for every single pilot at easyJet to become a senior Training Captain - and whilst accepting the initial deal is not great, it is pretty good at the top end. There are worse fates to befall you than that.
Just out of interest, we have just had our annual pay offer for the UK contract - 2% (way above inflation) plus we have also been given £3k worth of shares and a 4.6% one-off payment for our performance bonus (FOs got more for some strange reason). Bearing in mind, all captains in the UK earn more than £100k a year, that seems good news to me. It is hardly a disaster, but listening to some of you on here it clearly would be. As I have said, if you could get a better job then I am sure you would not be wasting your time on here, but given that easyJet is clearly on your radars then it is not all bad - I am certainly managing to cope with the 'disappointments' of my pay this year. It is undoubtedly true that our senior managers and directors will be substantially better off and some will make millions. I am a simple soul, however, and am happy just to take the 'trickle-down' effect. Sure we are making our shareholders (which most pilots are) a pile of money, but we are also doing pretty well ourselves. Go to the public sector in the UK and ask them what sort of pay rise they got. I suspect if you went to any of the majors you would find they did not get that either. So talk of employees subsidising bottom lines is really not accurate. There is a route for every single pilot at easyJet to become a senior Training Captain - and whilst accepting the initial deal is not great, it is pretty good at the top end. There are worse fates to befall you than that.
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"Anyone joining will likely have to do 12 months+ flexi, 12 months+ NEC and have to wait two years minimum from joining an EZY contract before they're ellegible for any bonus or performance share award. The likelihood is that a lot of us are getting nothing, despite having worked for several years."
We want the world and we want it now. The fact is you get rewarded for time served. Get over it or move on.
We want the world and we want it now. The fact is you get rewarded for time served. Get over it or move on.
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We want the world and we want it now
Greedy us pilots aren't we
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Josua - nothing like that mate. Just putting a realistic slant on things before anyone things for one moment that we're all going to benefit from what COMB mentions. The fact is that many of us aren't, and none who join will receive for many years to come.
We want it all and we want it now? This is after one or more years on zero hour contracts, one year fixed salary working 5-2 with no meaningful leave. A bonus or some shares would be lovely.
We want it all and we want it now? This is after one or more years on zero hour contracts, one year fixed salary working 5-2 with no meaningful leave. A bonus or some shares would be lovely.
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HMB.
I don't mean to be rude but as the count says there are a stream of low hour wannabes who are willing to accept a job at the expense of initial contractual terms. What is changing is the length of time people are staying on these initial contracts.
Those of us who have been with the company for years are (on uk contract) remunerated well. We deserve to be having operated through the growing pains of the company. Carmen,Cor,EMA,MAD to mention a few.
The industry has changed over the last 10 years or so and that change has been driven by the willingness of the new joiner to accept terms and conditions that previous joiners luckily did not have to contemplate.
There also seems to be a never ending source of people who are willing to join. Wish you well
I don't mean to be rude but as the count says there are a stream of low hour wannabes who are willing to accept a job at the expense of initial contractual terms. What is changing is the length of time people are staying on these initial contracts.
Those of us who have been with the company for years are (on uk contract) remunerated well. We deserve to be having operated through the growing pains of the company. Carmen,Cor,EMA,MAD to mention a few.
The industry has changed over the last 10 years or so and that change has been driven by the willingness of the new joiner to accept terms and conditions that previous joiners luckily did not have to contemplate.
There also seems to be a never ending source of people who are willing to join. Wish you well
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If there are flexis doing more than a year they should be contacting the Company Council because that was the agreement. If the SO's are doing 5/2 they should be doing the same because their contract has the same number of days off as the fixed pattern roster 🙄
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Hearty Meatballs - regarding working into days off, many people have never done it. I am in my 12th year at easyJet and have done it twice - both of which were in the same month last summer. Under the new agreement, no pilot will work into his day off unless the problem arises on the last sector down route and he wants to get home. Ultimately the Company have done their calculations and think they can cope with the fall-out of this choice. To me it seems shortsighted but we will soon find out next summer if they have made the right call. In the meantime, it really is a non-issue for the vast majority of people in terms of any real effect on their pay - it just means they will not work into their day off as a favour to the Company. Despite any protestations to the contrary there is a clear route from the lowest FO to the the most senior Training Captain at easyJet, and as I have said many times to all those out there who are looking at joining us - check your contract and if you do not like it I hope you manage a better job somewhere else.
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Read again NLP and ezy320 post, they underline very well the issue for FOs on UK NEC contract, very poor, for cadets or DEFOs.
Instead of finding understanding and support from their fellow Captains, they found blame and humiliation.
The entire problem come from one and only thing: SELFISH.
I have a good contract, who cares about the other.
I never heard skippers from other airlines promoting that much their pay and benefits. By now, the entire world must know that an ezy cpt is on 100k salary..
Maybe to hide those poor FOs contracts or maybe to seek reassurance that it is the best deal in town?? After all, hundred of first officers, even those close to command
are leaving for British Airways. Might be a reason...
Closing our eyes or suffocating the voice of our first officers such as NLP or ezy320 will only deteriorate the situation.
Senior captains are the mentors that should be protecting the profession, not the cadet...
self explanatory.
Instead of finding understanding and support from their fellow Captains, they found blame and humiliation.
The entire problem come from one and only thing: SELFISH.
I have a good contract, who cares about the other.
I never heard skippers from other airlines promoting that much their pay and benefits. By now, the entire world must know that an ezy cpt is on 100k salary..
Maybe to hide those poor FOs contracts or maybe to seek reassurance that it is the best deal in town?? After all, hundred of first officers, even those close to command
are leaving for British Airways. Might be a reason...Closing our eyes or suffocating the voice of our first officers such as NLP or ezy320 will only deteriorate the situation.
Senior captains are the mentors that should be protecting the profession, not the cadet...
Just out of interest, we have just had our annual pay offer for the UK contract - 2% (way above inflation) plus we have also been given £3k worth of shares and a 4.6% one-off payment for our performance bonus (FOs got more for some strange reason).
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Geko - what absolute and utter cobblers. The whole problem is that there are not 'hundred of first officers, even those close to command' leaving for British Airways. If there were, then we would have a much better deal. We have many first officers who are actively choosing to stay at easyJet despite it being a boom time recruitment spree at BA - that actually makes our pay claims harder. Also, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes or what discussions senior captains have with our management. To suggest that our FOs find 'blame and humiliation' from captains is just fantasy. I am a massive union supporter (BALPA in the case of the UK-based pilots). As any UK employees will be aware, the freedom to move in the UK is significantly less than that on the continent. Nonetheless, I am totally supportive of any moves to sort out contracts. There are a number of aspects to new entrant contracts that I do not like, but unless the union wants to fight the case there is not a whole lot that can be done. I do, however, stand by my statement that there is no barrier to any new pilot in terms of where they can end up.
Once again, it is critical for pilots who want to join easyJet to do so with an understanding over what they are getting into. Overall BA is a better deal, but presumably if they were offering you a job you would not be wasting your time here.
Once again, it is critical for pilots who want to join easyJet to do so with an understanding over what they are getting into. Overall BA is a better deal, but presumably if they were offering you a job you would not be wasting your time here.
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Gecko my Saurian friend. What you need to appreciate is that all new joiners in all companies are disadvantaged. In BA the whole concept of date of joining seniority and bidline for trips could be viewed as discriminatory. If you are in easy and hate it be the master of your own destiny and leave.
COMB you may well find that there ARE potentially in the hundreds about to leave, the start dates have only just started to be issued by BA. Make no mistake there's a storm coming, virtually every F/O you speak to on the line either has an application in or is at some stage of the BA process..
(They are offering me a job and I'm still wasting my time here, I don't know what says about how I spend my life!
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PS Believe it or not there are also captains (plural) contacting me asking for feedback on the BA recruitment process...
(They are offering me a job and I'm still wasting my time here, I don't know what says about how I spend my life!
)PS Believe it or not there are also captains (plural) contacting me asking for feedback on the BA recruitment process...
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The ad i saw for easy DEC was circa £114000 with a basic of £98k. UK base obviously.
The last interviews were completed on the 19 th Nov. Nothing else for this year , unless you know better ?
I believe they deserve every pound and penny they earn.
The last interviews were completed on the 19 th Nov. Nothing else for this year , unless you know better ?
I believe they deserve every pound and penny they earn.
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Geko , Captains are on better contracts than SFO's who are on better contracts than FO's etc , that's the way it is & that's the way you'll expect it when you're a Captain.
You'll find Captains at Easy very supportive of a structure regarding FO progression although most will be ignorant to how it works. The main reason for this is the Cadets themselves clambering to take ever decreasing terms & conditions even before they get to easyjet & what you are experiencing is the degradation in everybody's future because you & many others wanted to pay to get to the front of the queue .
It won't be long until Captains pay & conditions are offered to the masses at reduced levels & they'll get snapped up by guys ever more desperate to get ahead & if you don't take it the next guy will.
Each new base that opens is done so on reduced conditions yet they fill the places , not usually with current Captains but with CTC clones , the blame does not fall at the feet of those Captains who are ever more conspicuous on their old contracts , maybe you need to look at yourselves to see where things are going wrong !
You'll find Captains at Easy very supportive of a structure regarding FO progression although most will be ignorant to how it works. The main reason for this is the Cadets themselves clambering to take ever decreasing terms & conditions even before they get to easyjet & what you are experiencing is the degradation in everybody's future because you & many others wanted to pay to get to the front of the queue .
It won't be long until Captains pay & conditions are offered to the masses at reduced levels & they'll get snapped up by guys ever more desperate to get ahead & if you don't take it the next guy will.
Each new base that opens is done so on reduced conditions yet they fill the places , not usually with current Captains but with CTC clones , the blame does not fall at the feet of those Captains who are ever more conspicuous on their old contracts , maybe you need to look at yourselves to see where things are going wrong !