What are the employment terms at Germanwings?

[Gilles Hudicourt]

I read that Germanwings normally employs candidates from Lufthansa Flight Training.

What are the terms and conditions for a new hire ?
Is he full time or part time ?
Employed or self employed ?
Is he on a contract with an expiry date ?
Monthly pay or paid by the hour ?
What about sick leave ?
Salary ?
Scheduling ?
Hours and Sectors per month ?
Where are they based ?
Vacation and Crew rest ?

[fade to grey]

I'm guessing Germanwing pilots have other things on their minds at present than responding to your enquiry .

Do you read the news ?

[brakedwell]

Are you fluent in German?

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Everyone is looking into the FO's religion, his medical history, his family history, his flight training history, his love life, his political views and affiliations, but some people here claim that his work conditions are somehow irrelevant and off limits ?

Those that have nothing to say, or those with an agenda, please abstain, and let those with knowledge on my question reply.

Back to my question. What are the work conditions at Germanwings ?

[biminiflyer]

Gilles hudicourt
looking to do a bit of foreigner bashing and finger pointing again?
You only need to look at how he threw at tantrum at European pilots in Canada on a certain canadian pilot forum when really all it was about whas that the company he works for we're getting their ass kicked by the competition and he played politics to try and get them stopped.

Your questions are irrelevant and insensitive at this time and I can see where your going with this regarding a certain airline that operates in Canada during the winter so you can some how use this tragic event for YOUR AGENDA.

Low really low...but not surprising

[Denti]

What are the terms and conditions for a new hire ?

First of all, i guess you mean the part of germanwings that flies the A320 family. The CRJs are in a different company.

Well then, Germanwings is a lufthansa company, flightdeck crews are solely hired through their own cadets from the lufthansa flight school. Lufthansa pays for the whole training, however once a cadet get a flight deck position he has to pay back part of that training, he can choose how much he wants to pay back and in turn the duration of paying back.

Is he full time or part time ?

New hires are full time only, however they can choose to fly part time after 6 months if they wish to, that is something everyone in germany has by law.

Employed or self employed ?

Employed.

Is he on a contract with an expiry date ?

No. Unlimited contract, however he is frozen on type and company for 4 or 5 years, after which i can apply for any open longhaul position in lufthansa (lufthansa, lufthansa cargo).

Monthly pay or paid by the hour ?

Monthly, including 80 hours. Overtime will be paid if more than 80 hours are flown. Additionally there is a loss of license, pension fund contribution, transitional pay scheme paid by the company.

What about sick leave ?

Six weeks consecutive sick leave are fully paid.

Salary ?

Around 59k € per annum starting pay. Around 129k€ per annum maximum pay for FOs, 183k max for captains. It is the normal lufthansa pay scale, with the exception of a higher overtime threshold and a reduced captains pay scale (it is expected that a captain leaves after around 5 to 6 years to fly as longhaul captain in Lufthansa).

Scheduling ?
Hours and Sectors per month ?

Well, its a LCC, so expect 4 sectors a day and as many hours as possible.

Where are they based ?

Several german airports. As far as i know not FRA and MUC though.

Vacation and Crew rest ?

42 days vacation.

[VJW]

Probably the exact same as Air Transat

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Thank you Denti. So overall, fairly decent conditions, and above average for a European low cost I would say.

[highflyer40]

I would be very surprised if air transats were anywhere near what denti just posted

[VJW]

There's a reason I said that

The only people who really think Germanwings is low cost is the media and Giles

[Gilles Hudicourt]

....and Germanwings.....

https://www.germanwings.com/en/4u/company/about-us.html

Germanwings is a member of the Wings family and is already very successfully positioned in Germany and Europe as a value brand and an innovative, high-quality, low-cost airline.

....and also Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr.....

http://fortune.com/2015/03/24/german...ash-lufthansa/

Our low cost subsidiary Germanwings [has] been a great success; bigger than we expected

But we could all be wrong. The anonymous sciolists on Pprune probably know better.

[FRogge]

you can be LoCo and still treat your employees with respect and fair conditions.

I think if the employment conditions would be a major issue in this case, we would have a blue+yellow harp flying against mountains once every month

[anotheruser]

Why such a rant if it was so easy to dismiss that poor job conditions might have been the reason for his depression?

[LoopGuru]

Although not relevant in this case, the terms and conditions at other airlines would probably shock the travelling public.

Alps crash: UK victim's father in plea to airlines - BBC News

[G.Green]

I read the original post as indirectly asking whether the company's working conditions added to this lunatic's problems, which I think was a fair question. If Denti's data is correct then it appears not.

[fade to grey]

He's either a journo or has a morbid interest,
Don't feed the troll

[CargoOne]

Gilles

Thank you Denti. So overall, fairly decent conditions, and above average for a European low cost I would say.

Above average for a low cost?
Get a life! This is the highest paid job in Europe out of any airlines, be it low cost or legacy. Because this is exactly LH mainline T&C

[EAM]

Germanwings pilots are LH pilots.
After they are hired the LH pilots are send to the mainline, Cargo or Germanwings.
Anyway, it is by far not the best paid job in Europe, but the T&C are of course quite good.

[CargoOne]

EAM
Just out of curiousity - which airline in Europe pays more than E60..65k basic to a year 1/2 FO with no experience?

[Deep and fast]

Some of lufthansas cadets went to Austrian, some on the bus but some to the turboprops. I bet they don't get Lufthansa pay!