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If as you put it Norwegian "returned" a crew member to OSM then the crew members dispute would be for OSM to resolve as they are the employer and will have to ( in this case ) abide by UK law.
They could not expect to go to court and say we fired the crew member because a customer company did not like them, they would have to have grounds to fire the crew member or the courts would award compensation to the employee.
In terms of employment protection it matters not who foots the compensation bill but that a crew member has the leagal protection afforded by UK law.
They could not expect to go to court and say we fired the crew member because a customer company did not like them, they would have to have grounds to fire the crew member or the courts would award compensation to the employee.
In terms of employment protection it matters not who foots the compensation bill but that a crew member has the leagal protection afforded by UK law.
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Can't speak for UK law & the "likely" protection offered (which regrettably has been known to fall short of ones expectations) but, we will see on 29th March how Spanish law views it. . . . . . . . .
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This is a very interesting article:
http://www.icenews.is/2017/01/16/ceo...#axzz4XSxrmcRH
“The agreement will contribute to the best possible collaboration between unions and the company [OSM] including not only adherence to International Labour Organization (ILO) core conventions on freedom of association, organising and collective bargaining, but also the guarantee of regular meetings between unions and management and the inclusion of grievance and arbitration procedures”
Unfortunately, the reality only confirms the gross hypocrisy of the Norwegian regime:
http://cabinassociation.org/wp-conte...est-Letter.pdf
“OSM wrote to the NCCA on December 15,2016 stating that they were cancelling the January 18th meeting due to a scheduling conflict affecting two (2) members of the NCCA bargaining team and would evaluate if the March 1st was still feasible.
The NCCA wrote several emails to OSM asking for the conflicting assignments be pulled so the NCCA can attend the previously agreed to bargaining session on January 18th with a final attempt being made on December 28, 2016. OSM denied all requests for the assignments of the NCCA bargaining team to be pulled”
So much for Norwegian's idea of labor relations.
http://www.icenews.is/2017/01/16/ceo...#axzz4XSxrmcRH
“The agreement will contribute to the best possible collaboration between unions and the company [OSM] including not only adherence to International Labour Organization (ILO) core conventions on freedom of association, organising and collective bargaining, but also the guarantee of regular meetings between unions and management and the inclusion of grievance and arbitration procedures”
Unfortunately, the reality only confirms the gross hypocrisy of the Norwegian regime:
http://cabinassociation.org/wp-conte...est-Letter.pdf
“OSM wrote to the NCCA on December 15,2016 stating that they were cancelling the January 18th meeting due to a scheduling conflict affecting two (2) members of the NCCA bargaining team and would evaluate if the March 1st was still feasible.
The NCCA wrote several emails to OSM asking for the conflicting assignments be pulled so the NCCA can attend the previously agreed to bargaining session on January 18th with a final attempt being made on December 28, 2016. OSM denied all requests for the assignments of the NCCA bargaining team to be pulled”
So much for Norwegian's idea of labor relations.
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The agreement/implementation of a CLA between SEPLA & OSM/NAR is dragging its heels interminably . . . . mainly due to an attempt best described as "Union Busting" to pick over/ disagree/question every word in the proposed document by the NAR "Sharks". . . they really don't want to do it, and are dragging it out as long as possible whilst trying to avoid any scope clauses that may prevent them closing NAR ES & opening NAR ES #2 the next day with no CLA in place to question the "revised conditions". . . bunch of 
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Norwegian B787 LGW...
Greetings guys,,
I wanted to ask about info with regards to commuting with Norwegian on the B787 out of LGW? Is it possible to do this to and from the Eastern Mediterranean for example? Is there commuting rosters or set patterns that allow this?
Im currently a skipper on the B777 for the last 6 years and looking to move back to Europe.
Any help or advise would most welcome.
I wanted to ask about info with regards to commuting with Norwegian on the B787 out of LGW? Is it possible to do this to and from the Eastern Mediterranean for example? Is there commuting rosters or set patterns that allow this?
Im currently a skipper on the B777 for the last 6 years and looking to move back to Europe.
Any help or advise would most welcome.
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Hello Jetkopite,
Where do you live? It is possible you travel for free on the NAS network to and from work. Not all duty starts at LGW can also be one of the three big Skandinavien cities, Charles de Gaulle or Barcelona. You have a minimum of 10 days off a month and you can request the off pattern for ex 5+5 or 6+4. The 10 days is a minimum but can also be more not less. Almost everybody commutes so it is possible.
Hope it helps!
Where do you live? It is possible you travel for free on the NAS network to and from work. Not all duty starts at LGW can also be one of the three big Skandinavien cities, Charles de Gaulle or Barcelona. You have a minimum of 10 days off a month and you can request the off pattern for ex 5+5 or 6+4. The 10 days is a minimum but can also be more not less. Almost everybody commutes so it is possible.
Hope it helps!
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Hi Mike thanks for your reply..
I am hoping to base myself out of Larnaca, Cyprus. When you say you can request blocks of 5/5, 6/4 how easy is this to achieve?? Also to achieve this can one expect to work 7 days on in a row with back to back trips??
Also would love to know how the pilots see the airline in terms of atmosphere and being respected by management.
Thanks once again :-))
I am hoping to base myself out of Larnaca, Cyprus. When you say you can request blocks of 5/5, 6/4 how easy is this to achieve?? Also to achieve this can one expect to work 7 days on in a row with back to back trips??
Also would love to know how the pilots see the airline in terms of atmosphere and being respected by management.
Thanks once again :-))
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Are Norwegian finding it difficult to find crews for the 787 considering how poor the contract on offer is and the uncertainty of the operation. A 3 year contract speaks for itself.
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Almost everybody commutes so it is possible.
for ex 5+5 or 6+4
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Does that mean a typical roster is 5 on 5 off or 6 on 4 off? can anyone post a typical 787 roster?
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I happily stand corrected but a 3 year renewable CONTRACT on offer isn't exactly enticing. Just my view but i guess nothing is certain in this world except one thing.
I happily stand corrected but a 3 year renewable CONTRACT on offer isn't exactly enticing. Just my view but i guess nothing is certain in this world except one thing.
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Just to be clear on this, as it keeps coming up.
It's a three year contract with rishworth, after which it's an open ended contract with OSM.
You have to swap. That's the deal .
It's a three year contract with rishworth, after which it's an open ended contract with OSM.
You have to swap. That's the deal .
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Sort of been waiting for clarification/conformation of new starter FO on this thread.
I think we are saying....
Years 1-3 with Rishworth on contract to Norwegian ? Figures in NOK on PPJN apply.
Year 3 onwards with OSM. Better figures (again on PPJN in Euro and NOK) but still no direct contract with Norwegian.
So never any direct relationship with your actual employer.
The question I have, and I still believe it perfectly reasonable to ask and yet I cannot see it has ever been answered, is if Norwegian take a dislike to you (wear your hat incorrectly, upset a management type, are late to report a couple of times) and they "return" you to Rishworth/OSM, what happens and what recourse do you have under UK employment law?
As far as I can see you are then left in "dispute" with an agency with absolutely no chance of satisfactory resolution. My understanding of agency contracts is that the ultimate employer can return individuals to the agency for any reason they choose and do not have to justify why they no longer want an individual on their flight decks.
And do Rishworth pay UK taxes and National Insurance on behalf of the agency pilots they place with Norwegian or are they self employed?
I think we are saying....
Years 1-3 with Rishworth on contract to Norwegian ? Figures in NOK on PPJN apply.
Year 3 onwards with OSM. Better figures (again on PPJN in Euro and NOK) but still no direct contract with Norwegian.
So never any direct relationship with your actual employer.
The question I have, and I still believe it perfectly reasonable to ask and yet I cannot see it has ever been answered, is if Norwegian take a dislike to you (wear your hat incorrectly, upset a management type, are late to report a couple of times) and they "return" you to Rishworth/OSM, what happens and what recourse do you have under UK employment law?
As far as I can see you are then left in "dispute" with an agency with absolutely no chance of satisfactory resolution. My understanding of agency contracts is that the ultimate employer can return individuals to the agency for any reason they choose and do not have to justify why they no longer want an individual on their flight decks.
And do Rishworth pay UK taxes and National Insurance on behalf of the agency pilots they place with Norwegian or are they self employed?