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I would loved to have staying flying, provided that there were;
1. no slot problems,
2. no airport security,
3. no badly behaved passengers,
4. a few crew my age for company down route,
5. no 12 hour night flights and only one trans Atlantic flight a month
6. no management half my age reinventing a wheel every few years
7. CRM that might assume that the problem was not always me, and that
F/O or the cabin crew manager may be wrong
8. Trainers that 'trained' rather than set out to find out how little I knew.
9. and I could go on and on ............
1. no slot problems,
2. no airport security,
3. no badly behaved passengers,
4. a few crew my age for company down route,
5. no 12 hour night flights and only one trans Atlantic flight a month
6. no management half my age reinventing a wheel every few years
7. CRM that might assume that the problem was not always me, and that
F/O or the cabin crew manager may be wrong
8. Trainers that 'trained' rather than set out to find out how little I knew.
9. and I could go on and on ............
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Originally posted by Aluminium shuffler:
Case One, do you care to elaborate on how I have led the profession down ths path? By taking the best terms and conditions available to me? Is investing in y childrens' education and the UK government suddenly deciding to up the pension age by four years poor planning on my part? Why do you support an illegal, discriminative policy? Oh- because you want everyone pushed out of your way so you can progress. It's all about you, isn't it?
Case One, do you care to elaborate on how I have led the profession down ths path? By taking the best terms and conditions available to me? Is investing in y childrens' education and the UK government suddenly deciding to up the pension age by four years poor planning on my part? Why do you support an illegal, discriminative policy? Oh- because you want everyone pushed out of your way so you can progress. It's all about you, isn't it?
On the other hand you seem to have placed reliance on an HMG pension. Now that was just foolish.
I don't think the policy is illegal - yet. Perhaps I'm wrong. Discrimination? Stop whining, much bigger problems in the world than relatively rich pilots not having quite as much money as they'd like. Save the D word for those suffering real injustice.
I've progressed just fine, thanks for your concern, there's no-one in my way. However, I'd be very happy to see many of those mis-managing things at the top shuffle off to retirement - doesn't mean I want their jobs. All about me? Nice try. I'm not sat here cr@ping on those behind/ below me.
Again, it's nothing personal old chap, I don't know your specific circumstances and attitude, I'm making general points. You may be a good egg. Too many aren't/ weren't.
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There are many pilots out there who would much rather have worked for the decent airlines and play the long game, but guess what - we don't get paid for wishes or morals. Everyone has to take the best job they can find, and that depends an awful lot on location and luck. Sitting unemployed for years in the hope of a BA job isn't going to achieve much, is it? There are also some who prioritise their kids over themselves. You call that bad planning, some may consider it duty or decency. I, and some others, are willing to work harder and longer to give our kids the best start in life, but you seem to want us to suffer more by being homeless at 65. Why is that?
The simple thing is that blanket insults, criticising everyone that may have a reason to need to work longer as being selfish and foolish is in itself selfish and foolish. Don't criticise what you don't understand. I'd love to retire at 55, but those wishes won't pay a mortgage or put food on a table.
We should all have the choice of retiring at the contracted pension age or when no longer physically able to work. What is wrong with wanting us to have control over our lives?
The simple thing is that blanket insults, criticising everyone that may have a reason to need to work longer as being selfish and foolish is in itself selfish and foolish. Don't criticise what you don't understand. I'd love to retire at 55, but those wishes won't pay a mortgage or put food on a table.
We should all have the choice of retiring at the contracted pension age or when no longer physically able to work. What is wrong with wanting us to have control over our lives?
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When I started my career I though I'd be retiring at 55. When I was 40 I knew I'd have to go on to 60. When I approached 60 the raising of the retirement age to 65 was a welcome financial bonus which would fill the holes which had appeared in my financial plans. As I approach 65 it is coming together financially but I will work on as SFI/SFE for as long as I have the energy and enthusiasm in order to fund the expensive hobbies and tastes I have acquired (and my boomerang offspring). Flying CAT beyond 65? I don't know. I certainly don't feel like it right now. Having had a brush with one of life's big 3 diseases I feel I've had a tap on the shoulder from the almighty to remind me of my mortality. Perhaps it's time to do something else while I'm still fit and active. On the other hand........
Therein lies the rub!
but you seem to want us to suffer more by being homeless at 65. Why is that?
Is it possible that liberty to choose one's retirement age anywhere between 45 and 85 is way outside the scope of things we are "Free to choose", fervently promulgated by the saint Milton Friedman?
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The problem has come about because of the government moving the goal posts over time, not under the control of the individual.
Those who think any expereienced pilot is going to willingly give up his salary, so someone younger can have it instead, is probably a product of an education system where they were led to believe that a comfortable life was just for them, an entitlement.
But, life is an ongoing competition, with constantly changing rules. We all have to, as my late father would have said: "Like it - or lump it".
P.S. Case One: You're very stroppy for an 8 year old, aren't you? Work hard and get your GCSEs, there's a good lad...
Those who think any expereienced pilot is going to willingly give up his salary, so someone younger can have it instead, is probably a product of an education system where they were led to believe that a comfortable life was just for them, an entitlement.
But, life is an ongoing competition, with constantly changing rules. We all have to, as my late father would have said: "Like it - or lump it".
P.S. Case One: You're very stroppy for an 8 year old, aren't you? Work hard and get your GCSEs, there's a good lad...
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There are so many factors - which airlines are recruiting or shedding, what renumeration is on offer from those recruiting, whether one can take a medium term hit on pay by taking an FO position at a legacy carrier instead of being trapped in a command position at a loco (easier for singles in their 20s than parents in their 30s-50s), the education quality where you are (and costs of private education where state is lacking), the returns on private pensions, shares and other investments freefalling, governments moving goalposts on state pension ages and amounts, changing tax rules, companies going bust or restructuring and wiping out their pension funds...
The point is that those who can afford to retire early should be allowed to do so, while those that want or need to continue working should be able to.
The point is that those who can afford to retire early should be allowed to do so, while those that want or need to continue working should be able to.
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Originally posted by Shy Torque:
Those who think any expereienced pilot is going to willingly give up his salary, so someone younger can have it instead, is probably a product of an education system where they were led to believe that a comfortable life was just for them, an entitlement.
But, life is an ongoing competition, with constantly changing rules. We all have to, as my late father would have said: "Like it - or lump it".
P.S. Case One: You're very stroppy for an 8 year old, aren't you? Work hard and get your GCSEs, there's a good lad...
Those who think any expereienced pilot is going to willingly give up his salary, so someone younger can have it instead, is probably a product of an education system where they were led to believe that a comfortable life was just for them, an entitlement.
But, life is an ongoing competition, with constantly changing rules. We all have to, as my late father would have said: "Like it - or lump it".
P.S. Case One: You're very stroppy for an 8 year old, aren't you? Work hard and get your GCSEs, there's a good lad...
Thanks for your sage advice about competition, life's suddenly become clear to me.
As for the waffle about education systems, it looks like you need to take some of your own advice. Buy a book, learn about logical form and produce a cogent argument, now there's a good boy.
But yes I am a bit stroppy. I'm a little tired of hearing people trying to justify their own self interest by trying to dress it in libertarian clothes and whining about discrimination.
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Who said anything about expecting anyone to willingly give up his salary? That's just one reason I'm happy to see a mandatory retirement age. Another is that it removes an avenue for companies to further erode terms and conditions - compelling everyone to work longer.
Thanks for your sage advice about competition, life's suddenly become clear to me.
Thanks for your sage advice about competition, life's suddenly become clear to me.
