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Ryanair Non-Rated DEC

Old 30th Jan 2015, 11:15
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Ryanair Non-Rated DEC

Hi All,

Is there anyone who could give me some information on Ryanair recruitment.

I have read the posts of the past but I understand things have changed recently, eg, direct employment with Ryanair.

I am specifically interested in Direct Entry Command. I am not rated on the 737-800 but I am currently a Captain on another Boeing Type (and Trainer) and thus meet the requirements set out on their website for Non-Rated Direct Entry Command.

So the Golden question,

What salary are they offering for DEC?
Will UK bases be available?
Is it still a 5/4 roster pattern?
Any other info would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 11:31
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I believe DEC UK based would net around 5000-5500 per month after tax & pension deductions. If you are a contractor expect something similar.

UK bases are available but in Ryanair land you never know where you'll end up. You may be in luck as they need you and you have a (small amount of) negotiating power.

I think all UK bases are 5/4. In Euroland some bases are 5/3 and the pay varies but expect net around 5000-5500. The UK contracts are worth considerably more.

Nothing is ever clear until you actually start and even then very little is 100% certain. Good luck!
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 08:34
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Does this salary (very flexible salary depending if you are working max or you are on leave, sickness or stand bys) include your crewfood for 10+ hours duty? does it include your shirts and trousers? your parking card? your medical class 1? your simu check opc/lpc?

Ryanair is suitable only for 19-30 years old people looking for a first job. The options afterwards are to live in asian or chineese countries for the rest of their career or to simply quit this industry.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 08:54
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The salary does not include crew food. Having to take your own is a bit inconvenient but you can control your diet and it's not something I moan about.

No, it doesn't include car parking which costs at most airports around 250 a year. Nor does it include uniform which was something like 409 up front when I joined 10 years ago and now costs me about 70 a year.

Medical is about 170-200 a year. Yes of course it includes your sim checks. No one at Ryanair 'pays' for their sim. Contractors have 4.50 per hour deducted from their gross pay as one of several tactics by Ryanair to persuade the tax man you are not an employee. They can deduct as much as they like- net pay is what counts.

All in, I pay about 500 a year more (excluding food) as a Ryanair pilot for all the above. Hardly a deal breaker when I am home every night and am on a 5/4 stable roster.

Is it perfect there? No. Could things be better? Yes. I am outside your suggested age ranges and it works nicely for me and my family.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 09:14
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How much do they need non-rated DECs at the moment?

Would a 777 skipper with 10k+ hours at a legacy carrier get a look in?

Do you have to pay for the rating? If so, what sort of deductions are we talking about per month?

Many thanks if anyone can answer.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 09:25
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Mr Good Cat. I can't answer your question in any official capacity but I would say you would have a very good chance of getting in. As for the type rating I'm not sure if you would have to pay or they would pick up the bill. They did a couple of years ago for some DECs. If you have to pay I doubt that there would be any payback scheme. It would be you pay up front and thats it.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 10:18
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5000euro for a DEC on Medium Jet?!

Even the Turkish and Polish airlines pay 50% more after tax!
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 13:52
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Thanks for the info Rich.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 13:58
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Not according to PPJN Despegue.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 14:04
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Turkish pays at least twice the amount. I think tax is 5% But you have to live there. Roaster 6/1/6/2 roughly.

not sure about polish.

Btw:capt elvis; did you apply already?

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Old 31st Jan 2015, 16:19
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Corendon: 7200 euro after tax base BRU
Pegasus: around 8000 euro after tax base SAW commutable
Sunexpress: basic 6300 euro after tax PLUS Per diems.


What FR is paying is absolute crap, and less than an FO earns where I work, for half the hours ( and we take as much bloody fuel as we want)

Ps. depone, TK is desperate for DEC,has been for years. But you DO fly A LOT ( not bound by EASA) and B737/A320 is NOT commutable.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 16:23
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5-4-5-4 at Ryanair or 6-1-6-2 at Turkish. Give me quality of life and a decent work life balance over higher pay any day of the week.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 17:51
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Money can be crap outside UK & Ireland. Base pay agreements are 'negotiated' at management level with a pilot representive from the base. Not much negotiation takes place to be perfectly honest.

An example of a southern european base average net pcm is €6K. You're probably talking an extra €12K gross a year plus allowance for training role (LTC). Nothing else provided outside pension contribution, which is minimal.

5/4 is great but if you're commuting then it isn't 5/4. I'm leaving as it just isn't worth it anymore. Know quite a few who are happy and enjoy the security/roster. Fairly certain ALL bases are 5/4 now. Bags of opportunity for training positions etc due to growth and attrition.

For DEC they obviously prefer rated with NG time however they have been providing the rating as needs must. It's bonded but not sure for how long. Best of luck, there are some great guys in the airline. Always enjoyed my days out going into some 'interesting' places. Has the potential to be a bloody good place to work, but alas in many respects......

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Old 31st Jan 2015, 20:29
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oh yeah that's great to be back home every day man (you should have worked at the post office or in a bank), but when you're on earlies you wake up at 3-4 am and you come back home at 2pm and when you are on lates you go to work at 11 am and come back well after midnight. You do that during 5 days in a raw, no water provided by your employer, while on duty, you bring your own sandwich or a cheap unhealthy microwave food. On summer time you are forced to work, there is absolutely no way that you can be with kids and wife on holidays, you'll take your forced holidays in winter time, what a lifestyle!
Your terms and conditions are so bad that you MUST go to work even if you are sick, because your basic salary is zero or below your monthly bills.
And it's crazy to see people happy to pay for their class 1 medical certificate, parking card, shirts and any other expenses. May I ask you how much you payed for your epaulettes/stripes?
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 20:46
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Worst thing is that some Captains there are obviously so badly brainwashed that they actually think they have a good deal
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Old 1st Feb 2015, 12:34
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Despegue

Do you understand the difference between gross & net? Just asking, don't want a paranoid backlash suggesting I'm some sort of FR drone on the defensive.

Additionally, wind check - if you don't like it, don't read the thread. I tend to turn my back on things that piss me off. Do you get some sort of perverse kick trolling FR threads
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Old 1st Feb 2015, 13:08
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One has to realize that with Ryanair the conditions and pay never go up. Management might claim and say they are. And even ventilate this in the media, but they simply aren't. As time goes on you will always have less money in your pocket to spend and deteriorating conditions. It has always been like that at least the last decade.

You might get or have a 5/4 roster now, but that for sure isn't guaranteed and might be changed tomorrow if the company wants. Thats it might be in your contract doesn't matter. The contract is for you to have to stick to and for them to change and do with as they like, when they like. In many contracts the small print already talks about a possible variable roster in the summer and the company surely wants to go to unpaid leave in the winter. Ryanair's intentions and future are and were always in the small print.

And for the base you have or will get for now is also nothing certain. They can change that when they like and to where they like with collaterally possibly your pay reducing then as well as your new base might, and most likely will, have a lower salary for your position as you had before! The pressure of uncertainty is uncomfortable and most of the time sooner or later an unwanted change will appear on your doorstep.

And why people get bases they want or possibly get a fair deal when they join now? Because Ryanair is short of pilots! But as soon as they have enough again and/or pilots have no other place to really go to they will show their real face again and you might find yourself at the sharp end of their blade and regret your choice for Ryanair.

Be careful if you want to go into this lion's lair and realize what you get yourself into. What appears to be ok now, might turn ugly quickly sooner or later! It often does with Ryanair, one way or the other and your conditions and/or pay will go down.

Thing to also think of is what does the competition offer and what is the lesser of two evils for you.

This is all of course just my opinion.
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Old 1st Feb 2015, 13:34
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Callsign Kilo,

Yes, I,do know the difference... And I do know that 5000euro net for an experienced Captain is ridiculous. Especially when you even have to pay for your own coffee...

Other airlines might offer the same as Basic, but in addition, you get Christmas bonus, 13th. Month, holiday bonus, extra legal pension, insurances etc.
What do you get extra when flying the Harp ? And please don't say " everyday at home" a lot, if not most, people do commute within FR.
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Old 1st Feb 2015, 23:33
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I guess the 5000 euros is an average based on a 12 months year, it will indeed slightly increase during July and August logging 100 hours per month and it will decrease up to (or near) zero in winter while you are forced to take your leave. Note also that your pension is zero, once you are 65 you'll be forced to live under a bridge.


Let's be truthful! you are treated like a slave and you are happy with that.

...so, will you tell us how much you payed for your epaulets??
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Old 2nd Feb 2015, 01:03
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Little feedback regarding the origional question.

Has anyone had any contact from Ryanair with regds their ad in Flight last year for DEC ?

I didnt apply and am just curious. Im based overseas, get a package well and truly beyond anything on offer in europe. However, its not home, and the pollution is a eye opener.
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