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LOL. So they are closing shop two days before the audit day.
Meanwhile, from Norse Atlantic CEO:
source: https://simpleflying.com/norse-atlan...ht-attendants/
If you have a look at the majority of bad publicity for airlines over the last 5 years it has been due to crew/employee relations. Is penny pinching from employees only to lose millions on lost reputation worth it any more? Is the tide finally turning?
Meanwhile, from Norse Atlantic CEO:
“We are thrilled to reach this agreement with AFA and proud to make clear from the start that our airline puts people first. Travelers will gain a low-cost, long-haul option, but tickets will never be subsidized by our employees. We strongly believe building an airline with respect for the people who work for Norse is the best way to ensure success.
If you have a look at the majority of bad publicity for airlines over the last 5 years it has been due to crew/employee relations. Is penny pinching from employees only to lose millions on lost reputation worth it any more? Is the tide finally turning?
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Until guys come together and get the guts to step up and speak nothing will change, it will be the same, they will use as much unpayed as they want, pay people as less and fly them as much as possible as "hardship" comes for all and easyship comes with xmas tickets! What one can expect in ops run by happy cabincrew that get to see an extra banana at the end of the month?
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I managed to talk with quiet a few ex-colleagues at wizz in this past year or so. I would say that regardless that they were part of the 265 "bad apples" or not, 9 out of 10 despises the company on how they are relating with their employees and how they are generally handling contracts, base waiting lists, all hr, etc. However 9 out of 10 are also in favor of keeping quiet, staying under the radar, etc. just to be able to keep their jobs, to stay at home, or not to risk sliding further back on their home base waiting list, or even getting their jobs back however the terms and conditions. It is what it is. It seems that they are not willing to help themselves.
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booze, that about sums it up. People stay not because there's anything wrong with them but because there is nowhere better to go in their local areas (and not everyone is happy commuting and spending weeks on end in a hotel or moving their entire life and family abroad). Sum this with some peculiarities of the Eastern European way of doing things, multiply by the low number and high competitiveness of any other pilot job opportunities since early 2020 and you get what you see.
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Divide et impera works only with the necessary material.
According to announcements on LinkedIn Wizz started a cabin crew recruitment drive. One wonder if they already re-hired the 700 let go last year?
According to announcements on LinkedIn Wizz started a cabin crew recruitment drive. One wonder if they already re-hired the 700 let go last year?
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Not sure about cabin crew. The "latest and greatest" on the flightdeck side is that some of the guys and gals were called back and offered Confair contracts in some of the "less popular" bases, aka . Not sure about t&c-s, but wouldn't hold my breath, probably year 1 junior cpt rate for the left seat. Wouldn't be surprised if it was topped with a nice training bond for just why the hell not, right?
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The WUK cabin crew made redundant in 2020 were offered positions to return in 2021 on the same contract. A large number of them declined the offer, hence now the recruitment of cabin crew, this time using an agency and not direct employment.
The WUK cabin crew made redundant in 2020 were offered positions to return in 2021 on the same contract. A large number of them declined the offer, hence now the recruitment of cabin crew, this time using an agency and not direct employment.
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The "bad apples" thing wasn't 100% of the story, as far as I'm aware. Some of the unlucky 265 were made redundant because there was an instruction from above to let go of a specific number of crew members from each base, in accordance with anticipated demand in said base, and there were less "bad apples" than people who had to be let go of in said base. As a result, some perfectly good people got the axe. So, I would expect that at least 100 out of the 265 will be rehired, hopefully in the coming months. Some already have. Others have found a new story elsewhere.
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If i were them I'd take it (i guess everyone's family and financial situation is different though) just to get current and recent ASAP. Once the market picks up I'd make my exit as quick and as inconvenient to wizz as possible though. Confair it is? I'd show them "confair" allright.
Only half a speed-brake
Often overlooked, there was a large pool of western pilots who relocated east (broadly speaking) to start and develop their careers at Wizzair.
Their full intention was never to stay at the base location for good. Typically to either relocate back home for EZY or RYR (better yet the legacies) or move further east for a properly paid ex-pat career. ME3, India or China.
Getting the boot accelerated this movement even if most of the historically expected options do not exist at this moment. Arriving to AUH on Wizz contract is not really it, even if some ME3 managers get thrown in.
Jokes aside, there is some grass-root movement. Eurowings just announced a 3 aeroplane-strong base in Prague, where WZZ could not get traction in the good days.
The western LoCos are working to secure workforce for the next 10 years to avoid HR bottlenecks in growth which is their shareholders' mantra. 1500 hrs cadets will go hot off the shelf to legacies - they're young, well trained and pre-selected already. The pink will have a hard time keeping them onboard namely because there's no good answer /or any answer/ to the question What happens after my command?
The opportunities for LHS will remain limited to ACMI providers until fast-track lanes show up in the west about 2 years from now.
If the good progress we're seeing continues on the battlefront against atypical employment modes, there is a stable future ahead.
And the long-awaited day when WZZ could still keep their east and cheap bases but no longer have access to an overabundance of western pilots who used to undervalue themselves at career start, below the proverbial McD's shift leader in their home countries.
Their full intention was never to stay at the base location for good. Typically to either relocate back home for EZY or RYR (better yet the legacies) or move further east for a properly paid ex-pat career. ME3, India or China.
Getting the boot accelerated this movement even if most of the historically expected options do not exist at this moment. Arriving to AUH on Wizz contract is not really it, even if some ME3 managers get thrown in.
Jokes aside, there is some grass-root movement. Eurowings just announced a 3 aeroplane-strong base in Prague, where WZZ could not get traction in the good days.
The western LoCos are working to secure workforce for the next 10 years to avoid HR bottlenecks in growth which is their shareholders' mantra. 1500 hrs cadets will go hot off the shelf to legacies - they're young, well trained and pre-selected already. The pink will have a hard time keeping them onboard namely because there's no good answer /or any answer/ to the question What happens after my command?
The opportunities for LHS will remain limited to ACMI providers until fast-track lanes show up in the west about 2 years from now.
If the good progress we're seeing continues on the battlefront against atypical employment modes, there is a stable future ahead.
And the long-awaited day when WZZ could still keep their east and cheap bases but no longer have access to an overabundance of western pilots who used to undervalue themselves at career start, below the proverbial McD's shift leader in their home countries.
Last edited by FlightDetent; 12th Jun 2021 at 06:39.
External, had my assessment in October and been in contact with the other applicants who passed since then, and all but one declined the offer now it seems.
But still grateful they did screen us back then. Nice people in Budapest.
But still grateful they did screen us back then. Nice people in Budapest.