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Old 4th Jan 2019, 08:49
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Perhaps it was just some halfwit middle HR personís perception of how Airbus is operated.

My first hand experience is that their training is very good- the best out of the 7 airlines I worked for...

Having said that, if I were a recruiter, Iíd also look at a candidate as a person, not just how well they passed the Compass test... I never had to seat one, How on earth anyone let me to fly those big shiny jets?
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 08:53
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Originally Posted by Sidestick_n_Rudder View Post
Perhaps it was just some halfwit middle HR personís perception of how Airbus is operated.

My first hand experience is that their training is very good- the best out of the 7 airlines I worked for...

Having said that, if I were a recruiter, Iíd also look at a candidate as a person, not just how well they passed the Compass test... I never had to seat one, How on earth anyone let me to fly those big shiny jets?
I have to agree there, the training is good quality and has good standards. Certainly higher than my last 2 airlines.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 18:01
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Originally Posted by 2unlimited View Post
Circus Wizz never ends.

I am looking forward to see who are going to fly all their aircraft soon. Floating Cabin Crew in Luton, because they are to cheap to pay people proper salary.
Constant tax avoidance / evasion for their crews.
Enjoy your crew meals on your 13 hour duty days, never mind the hotel accommodation.
I know of contractors taking over 800 Euros a day, and they name their own schedule, and works when they want.
And all of these contractors are just waiting for better jobs, thats why they dont join Wizz.

The rapid expansion is a massive issue for Wizz, you have low experienced Captains flying with low experienced FO's.

Need I say anything more?
Join the party mate!
It's been like this for the last 6 years.
Now they're encouraging cabin crew to promote to the flightdeck. I mean.. it's not a big difference after all.. between selling snickers and twix...all they need to do is save up 40-50k from their salaries and get the atpl. Then Wizy can bond them for the type and voila! This industry has gone to the can.
At least I get to sleep in my own bed. Looking for a way out already, don't see myself doing the 900h till 40 years old. I pity the old guys in here.
Happy landings!
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 06:08
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Originally Posted by intheblue View Post
Join the party mate!
It's been like this for the last 6 years.
Now they're encouraging cabin crew to promote to the flightdeck. I mean.. it's not a big difference after all.. between selling snickers and twix...all they need to do is save up 40-50k from their salaries and get the atpl. Then Wizy can bond them for the type and voila! This industry has gone to the can.
At least I get to sleep in my own bed. Looking for a way out already, don't see myself doing the 900h till 40 years old. I pity the old guys in here.
Happy landings!
Being a bit sarcastic here, do you suggest that flying is so complicated as only third generation pilots can do this job properly, and only if they start in a special pilot kindergarten. It is so complicated that no CC would be able to learn it. Or what exactly is the problem with CC trained to fly and being bonded? Is it inherently dangerous that we have CC who might want to fly, and instead of mortgaging mum and dad's house, they start working, and then finance their training themselves.
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 06:56
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Being a bit sarcastic here, do you suggest that flying is so complicated as only third generation pilots can do this job properly, and only if they start in a special pilot kindergarten. It is so complicated that no CC would be able to learn it. Or what exactly is the problem with CC trained to fly and being bonded? Is it inherently dangerous that we have CC who might want to fly, and instead of mortgaging mum and dad's house, they start working, and then finance their training themselves.
Why so offended? Pushing trollies and dream one day you'll be in front? Hate to spoil it for you but it's not a good deal. If I were to start again I would do the same: not spend a dime on training. If you're passionate and realy wanna do this you'll find a way. But to pay a shit load of money for someone to hire me to pay me peanuts and fly me 900h/year... Best of luck!
Nothing against cc, just to show how cheap they are and yes, they hire desperate monkeys with this kinda money on this kinda type.
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 08:02
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Originally Posted by intheblue View Post
Why so offended? Pushing trollies and dream one day you'll be in front? Hate to spoil it for you but it's not a good deal. If I were to start again I would do the same: not spend a dime on training. If you're passionate and realy wanna do this you'll find a way. But to pay a shit load of money for someone to hire me to pay me peanuts and fly me 900h/year... Best of luck!
Nothing against cc, just to show how cheap they are and yes, they hire desperate monkeys with this kinda money on this kinda type.
Forgot to mention "Marry a pilot one day". Hate to spoil it for you but presently, having a stable job, a career prospect and not being indebted for 5 generations is a good deal...
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 14:36
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Originally Posted by intheblue View Post
Join the party mate!
It's been like this for the last 6 years.
Now they're encouraging cabin crew to promote to the flightdeck. I mean.. it's not a big difference after all.. between selling snickers and twix...all they need to do is save up 40-50k from their salaries and get the atpl. Then Wizy can bond them for the type and voila! This industry has gone to the can.
At least I get to sleep in my own bed. Looking for a way out already, don't see myself doing the 900h till 40 years old. I pity the old guys in here.
Happy landings!
Many companies are encouraging Cabin Crew to Flight Deck, this is not something new.
As many "newbie" pilots, will do anything to get in the flight deck door, and believe it will put them in the right environment for networking, connections and maybe get a chance.
These will normally be CC with CPL and IR, so it's not "newbie" CC they are promoting.
Actually it is a good way for people to learn the ins and outs of the company, I have seen many promoted this way, and I would say this shows real dedication and motivation, and 100 times better than some Compass test to find the "right people"

The issue with Wizz Air, is that they did not always take the right people, they took the people who had the money to bribe the right people to get into the flight deck.
As the company has such a corrupt past, it's impossible to know if some of the people they recruited could be the wrong people, only time will tell. As far as I know the company was rotten to the core, if they still are, who knows.
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 14:40
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Originally Posted by intheblue View Post
Join the party mate!
It's been like this for the last 6 years.
Now they're encouraging cabin crew to promote to the flightdeck. I mean.. it's not a big difference after all.. between selling snickers and twix...all they need to do is save up 40-50k from their salaries and get the atpl. Then Wizy can bond them for the type and voila! This industry has gone to the can.
At least I get to sleep in my own bed. Looking for a way out already, don't see myself doing the 900h till 40 years old. I pity the old guys in here.
Happy landings!
They don't even need to save up to 40 - 50 K, as in many of the East European countries, the government help a selected few of their own nationals with free training to their commercial licences. Of course they only take a selected few every year, but it's free training. And puts these in a massive advantage, as they dont have massive training debts to repay.
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Old 6th Jan 2019, 09:41
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Originally Posted by 2unlimited View Post
Many companies are encouraging Cabin Crew to Flight Deck, this is not something new.
As many "newbie" pilots, will do anything to get in the flight deck door, and believe it will put them in the right environment for networking, connections and maybe get a chance.
These will normally be CC with CPL and IR, so it's not "newbie" CC they are promoting.
Actually it is a good way for people to learn the ins and outs of the company, I have seen many promoted this way, and I would say this shows real dedication and motivation, and 100 times better than some Compass test to find the "right people"
wanna trade? going to dtm on shit wx with an ex cc on the right with 200h on c172 that has a max xwind lim of 10kts on landing(insurance) is defenetly fun! you shoud try this! Divirting or having abnormals they help a lot!! Most people do this job for the wrong kind of reason, unfortunately not out of passion. So it goes to the can..
Sooner or later they will realise they need experienced people in the company no matter how many limitations and restrictions they impose. hope itís not gonna be too late.

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Old 6th Jan 2019, 09:54
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Originally Posted by intheblue View Post


wanna trade? going to dtm on shit wx with an ex cc on the right with 200h on c172 that has a max xwind lim of 10kts on landing(insurance) is defenetly fun! you shoud try this! Divirting or having abnormals they help a lot!! Most people do this job for the wrong kind of reason, unfortunately not out of passion. So it goes to the can..
Sooner or later they will realise they need experienced people in the company no matter how many limitations and restrictions they impose. hope itís not gonna be too late.

happy landings!
By time they are on the line with a Captain, they will have received enough training to cope with that situation regardless, most new FOs in Wizz arrive with low hours anyway, so whatís the issue you have with them having been cabin crew before?

If DTM approach with crosswind challenge, than you should try a circling approach to Split, or approach to Funchal.

As far as I know Wizz training is not that bad, and I am pretty sure they wonít release the ex CC until they meet required standards.

but fact is that any smart FO with experience will leave as soon as possible .
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Old 6th Jan 2019, 11:04
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You sound like a funny guy that talked a lot and had no idea what he was saying. Thank god they upgraded him and he moved away to the uk base..
Just to get things strait: guys like you(as i presume) and me fly the freaking plane. CC sels sandwiches and deal with people(all kinds of em’) and hopefully they are well trained in case of an emergency. I don’t see any similarity between the two. They get to know the ins and out of who? Mizzair? who the... cares? are we still doing wizzbutique or flying the f plane?
You asked what my problem is with cc: they are being favored over a regular guys from wich they require 300h to join (not 200) and training is shit, they overlook stuff as they are considered one of us(although they don’t know how to fly and are released on line flights) personaly I had to take over twice on final and once I was taken over because he wanted to make an rt call and pressed the wrong button! It takes a lot of determination and ambition to became a pliot and a lot of them don’t have it. My point is the front seat is not for anyone.
Offtopic: I flew atr and md before the playstation in places where the md is still allowed to fly.. I was just giving an exemple from the ‘network’ junior.. hold your pants on!

over and out
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Old 6th Jan 2019, 16:47
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Wow few people angry here. We were all low hour pilots once. I have 2000hrs TP still consider myself low hours.

Some people need to show more respect to CC. I could never do there job too stressful. Some of our CC know a lot and are very interested, at the briefing table and on turn arounds they ask questions what do you do if this happens, how would I talk to ATC etc. I try to make an effort to teach all of them a bit. If my colleague keels over and I call CC I would hope after securing them they could at least grab a checklist if I ask. Of course we can all fly single pilot if required but anything to give a bit of capacity. Flying is easy most of the time. Yeah we have challenging days but I would say most of mine are a walk in the park. If I feel like a challenge disconnect AP at FL100 hand fly it all the way down with no FD.

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Old 6th Jan 2019, 17:49
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Originally Posted by intheblue View Post
You sound like a funny guy that talked a lot and had no idea what he was saying. Thank god they upgraded him and he moved away to the uk base..
Just to get things strait: guys like you(as i presume) and me fly the freaking plane. CC sels sandwiches and deal with people(all kinds of emí) and hopefully they are well trained in case of an emergency. I donít see any similarity between the two. They get to know the ins and out of who? Mizzair? who the... cares? are we still doing wizzbutique or flying the f plane?
You asked what my problem is with cc: they are being favored over a regular guys from wich they require 300h to join (not 200) and training is shit, they overlook stuff as they are considered one of us(although they donít know how to fly and are released on line flights) personaly I had to take over twice on final and once I was taken over because he wanted to make an rt call and pressed the wrong button! It takes a lot of determination and ambition to became a pliot and a lot of them donít have it. My point is the front seat is not for anyone.
Offtopic: I flew atr and md before the playstation in places where the md is still allowed to fly.. I was just giving an exemple from the Ďnetworkí junior.. hold your pants on!

over and out
You really have chip on your shoulder, don't you?

Do you think it makes a difference if a Cadet has 200 or 300 hours?

I am amazed with your poor English skills, that you at all have managed to pass level 4, as it's not easy to understand what you are saying. Actually at the end I completely lost you, who knows what you are talking about.

It's only recently Wizz changed the requirement to 300 hours.

Your view of your cabin crew is despicable, who do you think you are? Sky God?

I know a lot of great guys and girls in Wizz, I know few CC who got the chance in the flight deck too, they was pilots, who took a job as CC, to try to get their first job. Some of them are now Captains with Wizz, who I believe are excellent pilots, there is a lot of others there too, who think they are SkyGods, who should NEVER have been Captains, and some of them flew ATR's and MD's before they arrived Wizz.
For some Wizz is the last chance saloon, if you have so much experience, and are so great of a pilot, why are you working for a company like Wizz? LMAO
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 17:11
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
Wow few people angry here. We were all low hour pilots once. I have 2000hrs TP still consider myself low hours.
Not at all, just sharing the facts Never said I'm overexperienced or any kind of Sky God (dude you have to cut off on that tv crap) I was just pointig out to mr showoff that I've seen split and other places.
Do you think it makes a difference if a Cadet has 200 or 300 hours?
Well fyi, yes! from 200 to 300 you need to work your way around it (instruct, aeroclub, fly for fun, out of passion... stuff like that) otherwise just pay your way into it just like they do now.
I am amazed with your poor English skills, that you at all have managed to pass level 4, as it's not easy to understand what you are saying. Actually at the end I completely lost you, who knows what you are talking about.
Sir, mr uk guy sir, how can I help you sir? if lost try a map sir!
Excuse me mr level 6 for not checking grammar before posting, if your royal highness doesn't understand why bother replying?
So let's not do wizzbutique and get back to the point,
It's only recently Wizz changed the requirement to 300 hours
Negative! It's been for at least 3years like this...
Your view of your cabin crew is despicable, who do you think you are? Sky God?
I got that you're having trouble reading my posts but my view of my cabin crew is:
CC sels sandwiches and deal with people(all kinds of em’) and hopefully they are well trained in case of an emergency.
in the exact order for normal ops days. Your royal highness needs to cut on the drama and on the Thor and other gods movies.
I know a lot of great guys and girls in Wizz
yes! me too!
few CC who got the chance in the flight deck too
aha! I was just sharing my experience in the previous posts about that!!
they was pilots
royal highness not level 6 native?
Some of them are now Captains with Wizz, who I believe are excellent pilots, there is a lot of others there too, who think they are SkyGods, who should NEVER have been Captains, and some of them flew ATR's and MD's before they arrived Wizz.
you're drifting off buddy.. I've worked my ass off to get where I am and now spoiled kids get to buy their way in a place where they have no idea what to do, that was the point. Who deserves and what is not for me (nor you hopefully) to decide.
For some Wizz is the last chance saloon, if you have so much experience, and are so great of a pilot, why are you working for a company like Wizz?
Because it's the best I can get home, I'm with my family and I choose lifestyle over money any time if you must know.
LMAO
Really? Am I chatting with kids on forums? lmwhat?
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 18:00
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Not at all, just sharing the facts Never said I'm overexperienced or any kind of Sky God (dude you have to cut off on that tv crap) I was just pointig out to mr showoff that I've seen split and other places.

Well fyi, yes! from 200 to 300 you need to work your way around it (instruct, aeroclub, fly for fun, out of passion... stuff like that) otherwise just pay your way into it just like they do now.

Sir, mr uk guy sir, how can I help you sir? if lost try a map sir!
Excuse me mr level 6 for not checking grammar before posting, if your royal highness doesn't understand why bother replying?
So let's not do wizzbutique and get back to the point,

Negative! It's been for at least 3years like this...

I got that you're having trouble reading my posts but my view of my cabin crew is: in the exact order for normal ops days. Your royal highness needs to cut on the drama and on the Thor and other gods movies.
yes! me too! aha! I was just sharing my experience in the previous posts about that!! royal highness not level 6 native?
you're drifting off buddy.. I've worked my ass off to get where I am and now spoiled kids get to buy their way in a place where they have no idea what to do, that was the point. Who deserves and what is not for me (nor you hopefully) to decide.
Because it's the best I can get home, I'm with my family and I choose lifestyle over money any time if you must know.
Really? Am I chatting with kids on forums? lmwhat?
So just because you have worked hard, does that make you more special?

There are guys doing courses from CTC and Oxford, direct into Easyjet / Virgin / BA with never even flown a real airplane, done all their training in the Sim. It works and has worked for years.

Your view of Cabin Crew:
"CC sels sandwiches and deal with people(all kinds of emí) and hopefully they are well trained in case of an emergency.
in the exact order for normal ops days."

I think you misunderstanding the job description of a Cabin Crew, Their MAIN JOB, is to be able to make sure all safety procedures for passengers are complied with, with regards to boarding, disembarking and during the flight. And in case of Emergency that is what they are MAINLY TRAINED FOR.
Have some respect for your Cabin Crew and what their main duties on the flight are, it seems you don't really understand this.

I am not sure what SELS means, I guess you wanted to say SELLS - selling sandwiches is not really what they are trained for, as I am sure you also would be capable of selling sandwiches if you had to. (Btw do you still get 1 Sandwich Crew meal for your 13 hour duty day? - In aircraft with No Ovens to even bring your OWN hot meals)

So if they have trained to be commercial pilot, have 200 hours, to improve their own life, than they should still work as Cabin Crew?
Apparently you have little knowledge of how Business works, where locality should be rewarded, and as far as I recall ALL CC who wanted to move to the flight deck had to show great attitude, and be recommended by their base Captain.

The difference between 200 - 300 hours is negligible, most guys with those 100 hours extra don't do anything else than fly holes in the sky anyway, just to get more hours.
It does not make you a better commercial pilot if you fly 200 or 300 hours in a shitty C-152.
Btw I am not British, but you are right, I have level 6 in my English. That is probably one of the bigger issues Wizz do have, many crew do not have good enough English, you are a prime example of this.
I guess that's the reason they still need to employ loads of British and Dutch guys.

The reason many love Wizz, and working there, is because they pay close to nothing in Tax, live in cheap country, I know an ex wizz Fo who went to EZY, and complained because he had to pay 900 Euros a month to live in BCN, while when he was in Romania he only needed to pay 300 Euro.
But think about it, living by the beach in Barcelona with sun or living in Romania, what you prefer? It's about location location and location.

I might not like Wizz Air, but no way can I defend such a despicable attitude towards new pilots or cabin crew, we have all been there sometime, and just because you had to work hard, does not make you a better pilot or more privileged than anyone else.
You try to work a 4 sector day as Wizz Cabin Crew on a 14 hour day for a few years, and tell me if that is easy / not hard, I am sure you would not even last 1 week.

Being envious just because there are some people today who get job different than you did is not your business to worry about.
You worry about trying to get a REAL LEVEL 4 in English first, as I am sure many of the Cabin Crew who become pilots probably speak better English than you.
And I hope soon EU will make sure you all will have to pay your taxes properly, that would be fun.
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Guys, WTF are you all talking about? It doesn't matter what you've done before you become a pilot! CC, butcher, student - who the **** cares. It's your skills what matters. And thank god, the most of them have the skills. It depends on each individual, nothing more, nothing less. Lately i had an excellent FO, just after his final release, he performed way better than some FO's with 2k hours. Your talks are nice, i get the point of both of you. But please calm down: we all learn every day, no matter how many hours we already have. Not to mention the complaints from young FO's about some experienced captains, who do a lot of bullshit as well. We all know about those guys, every airline has them. So please come back to what we all know best: be open minded, always ask yourself what you can do better, be able to improve yourself and help your collegue to improve. That's professional aviation in my opinion.
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Mshamba right on!
2unlimited wtf are you talking about?
youíve turned this thread in bullshit, Iím telling facts you seLL donuts (cudos to you mate and your fellow heroes)
You have no clue but still posting. I remind you itís a low cost model and they are and will be cheap and they will hire cheap with 0 experience! I remind you the company has bases in east so most of my colleagues did their training in serbia not in OXFORD so get your head out your ass!
Fyi we have local contracts.
On local contract I myself pay 45% tax (that might be close to nothing for you - either this or no idea wtf do you even still bother writing crap here) ending un with 6-6,5k in the pocket, saving 5k home being with family and friends beats any screwmeal! (yes with 1,5 a month you can leave decently - location location location). They will get rid of contracters because they cost too much and as for british.. well brexit will limit them for luton base only and commuters come, take the experience and after 1 year they go elsewhere - makes sense for them but not for the company so....
As for the rest of your post Iím not gonna even bother. Usually when one has no clue one keeps his piehole shut.
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Mshamba right on!
2unlimited wtf are you talking about?
youíve turned this thread in bullshit, Iím telling facts you seLL donuts (cudos to you mate and your fellow heroes)
You have no clue but still posting. I remind you itís a low cost model and they are and will be cheap and they will hire cheap with 0 experience! I remind you the company has bases in east so most of my colleagues did their training in serbia not in OXFORD so get your head out your ass!
Fyi we have local contracts.
On local contract I myself pay 45% tax (that might be close to nothing for you - either this or no idea wtf do you even still bother writing crap here) ending un with 6-6,5k in the pocket, saving 5k home being with family and friends beats any screwmeal! (yes with 1,5 a month you can leave decently - location location location). They will get rid of contracters because they cost too much and as for british.. well brexit will limit them for luton base only and commuters come, take the experience and after 1 year they go elsewhere - makes sense for them but not for the company so....
As for the rest of your post Iím not gonna even bother. Usually when one has no clue one keeps his piehole shut.
Guys please keep calm and continue make this thread productive. Just relax we are gentlemans.
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Originally Posted by samca
... we are gentlemans.
O rly? Seen too many who are not.


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Mshamba right on!
2unlimited wtf are you talking about?
youíve turned this thread in bullshit, Iím telling facts you seLL donuts (cudos to you mate and your fellow heroes)
You have no clue but still posting. I remind you itís a low cost model and they are and will be cheap and they will hire cheap with 0 experience! I remind you the company has bases in east so most of my colleagues did their training in serbia not in OXFORD so get your head out your ass!
Fyi we have local contracts.
On local contract I myself pay 45% tax (that might be close to nothing for you - either this or no idea wtf do you even still bother writing crap here) ending un with 6-6,5k in the pocket, saving 5k home being with family and friends beats any screwmeal! (yes with 1,5 a month you can leave decently - location location location). They will get rid of contracters because they cost too much and as for british.. well brexit will limit them for luton base only and commuters come, take the experience and after 1 year they go elsewhere - makes sense for them but not for the company so....
As for the rest of your post Iím not gonna even bother. Usually when one has no clue one keeps his piehole shut.
I know guys paying between 0 and 15% tax, so you are being screwed .

They will not get rid of contracters for 2 reasons.
They make sure nobody in Wizz have the BALLS to create a union.
So itís Split and Conquer, locals vs contractors, itís perfect for the company.

Second reason, are you aware of how many flights Wizz cancelled because of lack of crews?

More aircraft will need more crew, where are they going to find crew for these shit contracts?

Your leave system is a joke, when you take leave you loose your off days, what a joke company.

Seems nobody cares the company has been corrupt as no other .

People just paid HR to get jobs. Nice
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