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Old 28th Dec 2018, 17:38
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Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic View Post
I wonder if they would let you use the money they spend on a hotel to use on a better hotel and you just pay the difference as i personally would refuse to stay in one of those shithole hotels. I would rather pay half and get a nice place. Would cost you maybe 1500 euro for your half and you could be in a 4 star hotel.
The answer will be NO.

But you can pay extra yourself to upgrade your room.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 21:17
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Originally Posted by schweizer2 View Post
The answer will be NO.

But you can pay extra yourself to upgrade your room.
is there a quick way to get a contract with this circus airline. I want to be the clown!
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 11:28
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I cannot agree. I am a cadet after TR in Budapest and had very good quality hotel just next to the airport. I know many people undergoing TR in differrent ATOs that Wizz is sending to, and none of them were complaining about hotel. There was a case when some students recieved medium quality hotel during TR in Sofia, so they wrote complain to person responsible for accomodation and she booked 5 star hotel for them for the rest of the training. Durining line training in Warsaw there is high chance you will get accomodation in Marriott Hotel just next to the airport. Also they don't save money on flight tickets, and whatever your departure airport is, they are going to book you flight with any airline so that you can comfortably get to Budapest or any TR destination.
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 12:18
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There is nothing to agree or not agree. They used and still use the hotel I mentioned previously, and anybody can verify if it is up to standard or not. I stayed there 5 weeks and I can confirm it was absolutely not acceptable.

in Bud it was slightly better, but also luck of the draw, back in my days it was either a 3, 4 or 5 (let’s say 4,5 stars) hotel. The Ibis was pretty bad, the others were ok.
in Luton we layovered for years in the Ibis next to the airport. Borderline acceptable, with a bit of imagination. Also the holiday inn express or the hampton were used, but in our base it was just the Ibis (3 stars).

Don’t let me start on positioning, the honeymoon will be over soon for you too.
For the recurrent trainings and sims we had a cheap direct flight with another company from our base to the training location (it was 50 eur when I checked), but instead we found ourselves flying Wizz to an airport 150 km away, and then second class train ticket (occasionally with a change as well).

I worked quite some time there, like many other people here, so maybe you can assume we know what we are talking about.




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Old 29th Dec 2018, 14:48
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
There is nothing to agree or not agree. They used and still use the hotel I mentioned previously, and anybody can verify if is up to standard or not. I stayed there 5 weeks and I can confirm it was absolutely not acceptable.

in Bud it was slightly better, but also luck of the draw, back in my days it was either a 3, 4 or 5 (let’s day 4,5 stars) hotel. The Ibis was pretty bad, the others were ok.
in Luton we layovered for years in the Ibis next to the airport. Borderline acceptable, with a bit of imagination. Also the holiday inn express or the hampton were used, but in our base it was just the Ibis (3 stars).

Don’t let me start on positioning, the honeymoon will be over soon for you too.
For the recurrent trainings and sims we had a cheap direct flight with another company from our base to the training location (it was 50 eur when I checked), but instead we found ourselves flying Wizz to an airport 150 km away, and then second class train ticket (occasionally with a change as well).

I worked quite some time there, like many other people here, so maybe you can assume we know what we are talking about.


Accommodation quality!

How long ago did you leave, maybe things have changed a fair bit?
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 15:37
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I left almost two years ago, but I am still in contact with a lot of friends there and the situation is the same: pilot comfort is still ranking low on the company priority list.
Well, actually now with LTN base there is no need to layover (at least from the bases that I know), so at least the discomfort is limited to the two times per year that you need to go to the sim. I know they go to LGW a lot now for the training, but I don't know which hotel they use.
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 16:05
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
I left almost two years ago, but I am still in contact with a lot of friends there and the situation is the same: pilot comfort is still ranking low on the company priority list.
Well, actually now with LTN base there is no need to layover (at least from the bases that I know), so at least the discomfort is limited to the two times per year that you need to go to the sim. I know they go to LGW a lot now for the training, but I don't know which hotel they use.
Norwegian and a few others use the Copthorne hotel (LGW), its huge but the area it is in is a dump. The hotel is okay, rooms are dated but quite nice. I stayed there once, nice beer garden and a couple of bars but I would not want to stay there for a type rating, way too long.
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 16:11
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
I left almost two years ago, but I am still in contact with a lot of friends there and the situation is the same: pilot comfort is still ranking low on the company priority list.
Well, actually now with LTN base there is no need to layover (at least from the bases that I know), so at least the discomfort is limited to the two times per year that you need to go to the sim. I know they go to LGW a lot now for the training, but I don't know which hotel they use.
I believe the difference now though is they are very desperate for pilots so they will most likely have to up their game, especially as they will need pilots with experience and cant just keep hiring cadets, that has not helped their requirements for captains due to lack of experience and most likely skills.

I dont pretend to know but ex Wizz guys and current I have spoken to have said they are losing a lot of pilots due to shoddy conditions to other carriers abroad and in the Europe. Market forces will force them to change or die if it is as bad as I hear...

Again I dont work there so its all hearsay but I suspect there is an element of truth in there.
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 22:44
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Personally never had any troubles with the hotels I stayed in. Regarding positioning, it depends what you ask from them. Sometimes I would ask them a different, more comfortable routing to where I needed to go, and I would get it. Sometimes I didn't...

Conditions wise, I decided to stay on the old salary scheme. After several tries from people in HR trying to convince me to change... I still wasn't impressed at all...

Not sure what they are trying to achieve with this whole people council stuff, it is regulated by top management, so no backing from ANY union. Which means the company is dealing the cards. Bit of a joke in my eyes.
I do have the luck I am based in a 2 AC base. Which means I never got pushed too far regarding hours. But I heard horrible stories from other peope. And oddly enough, each base feels slightly like a different kind of Wizz/Airline, each with their own mini procedures. Which is very tiresome when you get out of base captains helping out...
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 15:39
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Hi guys currently considering joining wizz, however I have a few questions before I make a decision.

1) When looking at the pay scale it mentions landing pay which is if I’m am correct €19 for FO and €30 for CAP. Is this paid to only the pilot flying/landing or to both FO and CAP?

2) what is the current base allocation like right now and how long does it take for a move too another base?

any and all help is appreciated, happy new year to all.
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 15:54
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Greetings everyone.

First of all, I'd like to wish a Happy New 2019 Year to everyone of you!

Any ideas if Wizz has got a preference for pilots who have graduated ATPL integrated (over modular) course?

I will be picking up ATPL modular (at Bartolini Air) in June 2019. My ambition in the end is to work at Wizz. Reason for that is firstly that they are a large and well known company, they fly Airbus (I'm fond of these aircrafts), the fleet size is large, new/fresh, they fly to so many destinations... One of the most important things (to me) is that you can expect to build hours quickly (I've hard that 800 hours per year can be expected there) and the fact that you can be working at your home base (there's a waitlist) looks nice and convenient. The company itself looks to be stable and has got a right strategy so all of this looks promising.

However, upon reviewing Bartolini Facebook page, I saw that many their students got hired by mainly Ryanair and I haven't seen any posts telling about Wizz. This got me a bit worried - maybe the company doesn't accept students who finished the ATPL modular, maybe they simply don't consider Bartolini as a serious school or... Maybe I'm just worrying too much and overthinking?

Besides, reading this thread I came accross a few posts that Wizz is now full with the required staff (speaking about pilots, of course) and that the expansion won't be that rapid in the future as it used to be during past several years; this leads to further not too optimistic minds.

Any input on the above points would be highly appreciated.

Thanks!
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Old 1st Jan 2019, 19:38
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Originally Posted by hid3 View Post
... and that the expansion won't be that rapid in the future as it used to be during past several years; this leads to further not too optimistic minds.
6 new aircraft (321ceo/neo) will delivered until March which means 5% expansion within the next 3 months only (as the current fleet count is 106).
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 17:08
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Don’t know anything specific about Wizz, but IMHO integrated/modular does not matter a lot.

In most cases if someone graduated from an integrated course only indicates their parents had more money.

At the end of the day a 150 hour cadet is a 15 hour cadet and still has a lot to learn. How fast they will learn depends on their aptitude, not the kindergarten they went to....
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 07:13
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I heard also they are full of Captains and FO due to others companies bankrupt. So now they have type rated guys ready to join and Inthink they are giving priority over non type rated guys.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 12:35
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Just read every post in this thread from start to the end.
I was under the impression that this company is pretending to be a house of rookies - experienced & rated CPTs are not even invited to interview due to mysterious reasons ("they will see what's inside and leave the company soon". I got an impression that their policy was to recruit some NTR Cadets. You can pay low salary to them plus the bond will ensure you will retain that person for some time (most likely).

Wizz base is in my home town. If I'd be pulling the aviation trigger, I'd love to work here but... Understanding that it's not a long time career airline and seeing their salaries at some moments makes me feel desperate regarding getting into aviation business at all...
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 20:48
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Circus Wizz never ends.

I am looking forward to see who are going to fly all their aircraft soon. Floating Cabin Crew in Luton, because they are to cheap to pay people proper salary.
Constant tax avoidance / evasion for their crews.
Enjoy your crew meals on your 13 hour duty days, never mind the hotel accommodation.
I know of contractors taking over 800 Euros a day, and they name their own schedule, and works when they want.
And all of these contractors are just waiting for better jobs, thats why they dont join Wizz.

The rapid expansion is a massive issue for Wizz, you have low experienced Captains flying with low experienced FO's.

Need I say anything more?
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 21:53
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I tried to join Wizz Cadet programe at BAA Training this past autumn. During their presentation, I was shocked to hear they (Wizz) stated that skills and COMPASS test results of the candidates in this room are nearly useless for them because they look mainly at the person and his motivation. Reason for that is that they fly only Airbus and these are computer driven - the pilot does very little.

So why low experienced Captains flying with low experienced FO's should be a problem at all when Airbus can do "all the needful" itself from factory? Besides, it's getting smarter and smarter with each firmware upgrade!

I'm not in aviation business but my views and imagination on this matter were totally the opposite. If a person can't get a good scoreon a really simple COMPASS test at the very beginning, it's a very big question if he'll be really good at his work in that sphere. You need very technical and talented people to do the stuff right and safe. But... If Wizz officials present such ideas during their company introduction, then means it's the strategy they're living in
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 04:33
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Originally Posted by hid3 View Post
I tried to join Wizz Cadet programe at BAA Training this past autumn. During their presentation, I was shocked to hear they (Wizz) stated that skills and COMPASS test results of the candidates in this room are nearly useless for them because they look mainly at the person and his motivation. Reason for that is that they fly only Airbus and these are computer driven - the pilot does very little.
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I agree the COMPASS tests and other such tests are useless in the real world, these tests are only created by HR companies looking to make money.
Anybody can practice to make perfect those tests, and I don't believe they are very important.

Get over your bitterness if you want to be in aviation, you can't win the fight.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 07:52
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Originally Posted by 2unlimited View Post
I agree the COMPASS tests and other such tests are useless in the real world, these tests are only created by HR companies looking to make money.
Anybody can practice to make perfect those tests, and I don't believe they are very important.

Get over your bitterness if you want to be in aviation, you can't win the fight.
As long as Wizz has proven procedures to timely weed out unsuitable candidates, then ok.
Considering their desperate need for pilots and their terms, I‘m wondering about the Wizz definition of „unsuitable“ if they don‘t even invite TR‘d and experienced people.
Not sure if it is a good idea to expand and then fly with all-newbie crews, no matter how good the crew‘s basic aptitude may be.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 08:06
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Originally Posted by hid3 View Post
I tried to join Wizz Cadet programe at BAA Training this past autumn. During their presentation, I was shocked to hear they (Wizz) stated that skills and COMPASS test results of the candidates in this room are nearly useless for them because they look mainly at the person and his motivation. Reason for that is that they fly only Airbus and these are computer driven - the pilot does very little.

So why low experienced Captains flying with low experienced FO's should be a problem at all when Airbus can do "all the needful" itself from factory? Besides, it's getting smarter and smarter with each firmware upgrade!

I'm not in aviation business but my views and imagination on this matter were totally the opposite. If a person can't get a good scoreon a really simple COMPASS test at the very beginning, it's a very big question if he'll be really good at his work in that sphere. You need very technical and talented people to do the stuff right and safe. But... If Wizz officials present such ideas during their company introduction, then means it's the strategy they're living in
A lot more shocking to me is their management’s idea that Airbus essentially flies itself. The usual conclusion is that all you need to operate these miracles of modern technology would be a bunch of purely procedurally trained, cheap button-pushing monkeys that are given strict SOPs.

How does that fit together with an allegedly above average training standard that got reported here?
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