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Ryanair, more demand for pilots?

Old 8th Sep 2014, 12:27
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Thumbs up Ryanair, more demand for pilots?

I noticed how this forum is predominantly used to report accidents and incidents. So i thought I would add a positive threat (I hope it's under the right section).

Ryanair to announce a massive fleet expansion agreement with Boeing.

Boeing, Ryanair to make major fleet announcement on Monday | Reuters

It's obviously a long term fleet expansion but with a lot of Ryanair pilots (I know 3 of them alone!) who have gone to Emirates, Norwegian, Qatar etc. I'm sure Ryanair will be a bit desperate in the near future therefore looking into recruiting low hour Modular pilots and not just Integrated students?

I could be wrong, it's just my observation.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 13:24
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The aircraft might be replacements and not for expansion. That's just as well because the expansion of Ryanair has done a lot of damage to flying as a career.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 13:48
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They have recruited low hour modular students for ages...
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 15:18
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Ryanair considering the A350, B787 for transatlantic flights - ch-aviation.com
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 15:21
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Boeing Launches 737 MAX 200 with Ryanair

- European low-cost carrier commits to order 100 airplanes, becomes launch customer of newest 737 MAX family member

- 737 MAX 200 provides 11 additional seats of potential revenue, up to 20 percent lower fuel use

NEW YORK, Sept. 8, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) launched the newest member of the 737 MAX family today with a commitment from Ryanair for 100 airplanes. Europe's leading low-cost carrier will be the first airline to operate the 737 MAX 200, a variant based on the successful 737 MAX 8 that can accommodate up to 200 seats, increasing revenue potential and providing customers up to 20 percent better fuel efficiency per seat than today's most efficient single-aisle airplanes.

In addition to the commitment, valued at $11 billion at current list prices, Ryanair has options to purchase another 100 737 MAX 200s.

"Ryanair is proud and honored to become the lead operator of Boeing's 'gamechanger' 737 MAX 200, which will expand our fleet to 520 aircraft by 2024 and create another 3,000 new jobs for pilots, cabin crew and engineers in Europe, while allowing us to grow traffic from 82 million last year to over 150 million annually by 2024," said Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary.

"These new "gamechanger" aircraft will allow Ryanair to lower our costs and airfares, while improving our customer experience with more leg room and the Boeing Sky Interior, as we roll out new offers, particularly for our Business Plus and Family Extra customers. As many of Europe's flag carriers cut capacity on short haul routes, Ryanair looks forward to using these new Boeing 737 MAX 200s to grow at many more of Europe's primary airports," said O'Leary

Boeing developed the 737 MAX 200 in response to the needs of the fast growing low-cost sector, which is forecasted to account for 35 percent of single-aisle airline capacity by 2033. While the heart of the single-aisle market will remain at 160 seats, the 737 MAX 200 will provide carriers like Ryanair with up to 11 more seats of potential revenue and up to 5 percent lower operating costs than the 737 MAX 8, driving economic growth and increasing access to air travel.

With the addition of the 737 MAX 200, the 737 MAX family offers the right capacity to meet the needs across the single-aisle market.

"The 737 MAX 200 is the perfect fit for Ryanair, providing improved efficiencies, 20 percent lower emissions, increased revenues and a high level of passenger comfort," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Ray Conner. "The new variant will play a significant role in enabling the airline to continue to expand its operations, while providing passengers across Europe with outstanding value. For everyone at Boeing, it is an honor to launch the 737 MAX 200 with Ryanair, one of the world's most successful all-Boeing operators."

Based on the 737 MAX 8 airframe, the 737 MAX 200 can accommodate up to 200 seats by incorporating a mid-exit door increasing the exit limit. The airframe is 2.2 meters longer than the A320neo, giving customers more flexibility and space in the cabin, and offering a better solution at both the heart of the single-aisle market (160 seats) and at maximum passenger configurations.

Standard across the 737 MAX family, Ryanair's 737 MAX 200s will be configured with the passenger inspired Boeing Sky Interior, featuring modern sculpted sidewalls and window reveals, LED lighting that enhances the sense of spaciousness and larger pivoting overhead stowage bins.

With 2,239 orders from 46 customers worldwide, the 737 MAX family offers customers superior fuel efficiency, economics and passenger comfort in the single-aisle market.

Headquartered in Ireland's capital city, Ryanair operates more than 1,600 flights daily from 69 bases connecting 186 destinations in 30 countries. Currently operating more than 300 Next-Generation 737-800s, Ryanair took delivery of its first 737 in 1994, and now operates the largest fleet of Boeing airplanes in Europe. With a team of more than 9,500 highly skilled professionals, the airline is expected to fly more than 86 million passengers this year.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 16:03
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 17:00
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Unfortunately what Ryanair pilots have failed to realise (or at least failed to act on and use to their collective advantage) is the real power they wield.

This is the reason MOL hates pilots - he knows that in order to transport passengers from A to B you need an aeroplane and crew.

Although it might be very difficult to employ a CEO with the talents of Mr O'L, it is impossible to transport passengers without pilots.

The very operation depends on it.

Yet rather than use this overwhelming power, pilots kowtow to to MOL and take whatever rules and constraints he cares to dish out.

He might be a hard man, but trying to fly aeroplanes without pilots is even harder.

I imagine his fears will be realised because sooner or later people will walk and an (seemingly) unlimited supply of cadets isn't going to solve the potential nightmare that lies ahead - no Captains because everyone else has them.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 17:02
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It's opinion only, but I would think that given the amount of people I hear are leaving/rumoured to be leaving, combined with orders arriving soon, as well as that they are(were) advertising not only for DE CPT but DE FO but with and without type ratings that they are already pretty keen on trying to get staff at present, let alone the future.
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 01:09
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Getting the staff trained and upgraded is one way of increasing pilot numbers.

Retaining them on the other hand is equally important in a growing operation.

Over the last few years when no deliveries were taken, people leaving could be replaced by cadets being trained up from scratch.
Now that the deliveries are coming and the second large order has been placed supplementing the existing NG order covering the forthcoming 5 years, people leaving in the same numbers as before poses a real threat to the operation in long term.
Retaining the people involves improving the offering to make people choose to stay, be it for favoured bases, contract details or other methods. Retention will become a driving force in future for this airline.
There will always be enough cadets willing to start a career on a jet. There are less of these cadets willing to take a command when alternatives exist which supersede the offer of 4 bars on their shoulder. Even less cadets who have 4 bars on their shoulder in locations less desirable who are willing to work with sub-standard contractual conditions compared to competition operators.
Time will tell...
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 04:50
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The aircraft might be replacements and not for expansion. That's just as well because the expansion of Ryanair has done a lot of damage to flying as a career.
50 old frames are being returned to leasing companies with a net gain of 50 to the fleet.
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 06:13
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I would say that over 90% of the F/o's i fly with are ex Ryanair, i have yet to fly with any ex Ryanair pilot that thinks its a good place to be or good word about MOL, the only thing they praise is the 5/4 roster pattern which even in the absence of roster allows you to plan your life, many have over the past few weeks have been contacted by someone on behalf of Ryanair to conduct a leaving interview with a view to 'would you be interested in coming bak' Fekk off' is the near universal response.

If they want people to fly their aircraft the will need to start treating their pilots with a little more respect, they train them well, very well in my experience and that is recognised throughout by the airlines that are recruiting additional pilots.
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 09:19
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I went for a DEP interview with Ryanair a few weeks ago in Stanstead. I had heard the rumours about Ryan which we have all have, but thought I would go down and give them the benefit of the doubt.

All I can say.... Well what I really want to say I can't but I can stick to facts, unorganised, disjointed organisation that change the goal posts at any given chance.

To all be warned
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 09:33
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And you have been at "Stanstead" for an interview?
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 10:26
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I went for a DEP interview with Ryanair a few weeks ago in Stanstead.
I've never heard of any pilot interviews at STN before? Do you really know what you are talking about?
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 10:45
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I also fly with ex RYR flightcrew. And to suggest RYR are disorganised would seem, from what I am told, is grossly incorrect. The stories I hear are of a very organised company with a very high standard of training.

However it is difficult to argue against the comment about the damage to the career in general terms. There is no doubt terms and conditions would be much better for all, and the future more stable without RYR and their main competitor the Orange outfit tucked neatly in RYR' slipstream.

It is essential to research an opportunity with one of the Locos to the full. Certainly give extra attention to the potential for burn out over several years and the effect these airlines are having on the whole UK industry.

Working for the Locos does have its good points, but I guess the recent news about Monarch, and more specifically the potential change for the crews there could be a good starting point for an overall analysis of the industry and the relative strong points of a particular type of airline to the next ...

Just my two pennorth'
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 11:26
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Balls out........ Yes I do and yes it was at STN
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 11:29
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I too was up at STN a few weeks ago for a DEC interview/assessment. Found the day was run as good as is possible for these kind of things. I work with/know quite a few ex/current Ryanair guys so have been able to do a lot of 'research'. Starting to wonder if the company is on the turn and could be a good place to work for over the next few years. Those of you in the industry long enough will remember the days when Easy were seen as and Ryanair as the place to be. I know of at least one guy who left Virgin to go to Ryanair in 'days gone by'.
One thing is clear is that they have to sort out their crewing issues but as has been mentioned, give the right bases/contracts and people will stay.
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 15:39
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In my 17 years at STN I've never heard Ryanair described as being "the place to be".
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 15:58
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I think that the only way to consider RYR as the place to be is if you are based at home, on a old contract! Even if you have a unpopular base close to your home it could be a long and rocky road to ever get there and possible that you never get there because of complete lack of seniority system
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 17:11
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Starting to wonder if the company is on the turn
Comments like that young man will have making large charity donations ,public apologies and a stern warning form the bench ......if taken out of context
On a lighter note Black Knat I had the best giggle in ages at your optimism. There are more escapes been planned in Ryanair than there were at Stalag 17. Ask yourself the question why do Ryanair need DEC's ...why are they not promoting from within ? . Why do the need FO's ....I'll leave you to ponder those as myself and the boys get back to digging
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