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Old 2nd Aug 2015, 16:14
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Well I'm 7576 rated and based already somewhere that TOM already have them.

Regardless of recency, that does seem a tad prohibitive.
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Old 2nd Aug 2015, 17:40
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Out of interest when should the application system be open to apply?
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Old 3rd Aug 2015, 09:25
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Someone mentioned the 5 year pay, and the 5 year pay command suitable, but are there any more increases after that until gaining a command (other than the negotiated cost of living rises)? Does it go up again after 10 years service? Also is the command pay incremental when finally getting a command or is that fixed as well?

As someone who was released by Thomson in the 2010 cull, I'm just trying to calculate exactly how much of a pay hit I would take to go back!
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Old 3rd Aug 2015, 09:36
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Someone mentioned the 5 year pay, and the 5 year pay command suitable, but are there any more increases after that until gaining a command (other than the negotiated cost of living rises)? Does it go up again after 10 years service? Also is the command pay incremental when finally getting a command or is that fixed as well?
After the 5 years & command ready there are no further rises until command. Command pay is incremental for the first 10 years in rank and then fixed.
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Old 3rd Aug 2015, 09:56
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Hi DK,

No you are not bonded and yes you do have to pay 21K from your salary (even if you are PPY) however I believe the cost is taken before tax and NI and over a 3 year period. Or you can elect to pay 2400 per month for the first 8 months of service, which comes to 19200.

Once you are in the Company you can bid on to other types and there is no cost or bond associated with a successful bid, although in some circumstances pilots have been frozen on type on joining the Company for 3 years.

The cost of the TR and OCC are not ideal and I believe on the wish list for the union to get rid of.

Regards,

NK
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Old 3rd Aug 2015, 10:44
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I believe the cost is taken before tax and NI and over a 3 year period
That's correct, taken before tax. One year for the 7k OCC or three years for the 21k rating.
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Old 3rd Aug 2015, 10:52
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Unfortunately based on that I think I'll stay where I am, it's not very attractive prospect to have that hang over you, especially when look at the salary differences.
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Old 3rd Aug 2015, 16:39
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The new FO salary scales start nearly halfway up the old ones and end about 10k short of the old ones. Switch over to left seat is now 10 year scales instead of 20. Think it was to prevent more career FO's being on 90k basics
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Old 3rd Aug 2015, 22:06
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No you are not bonded and yes you do have to pay 21K from your salary (even if you are PPY) however I believe the cost is taken before tax and NI and over a 3 year period. Or you can elect to pay 2400 per month for the first 8 months of service, which comes to 19200.
So for a no-jet-time with over 1500TT, year 1 (and perhaps 2...) is spent on less than 2K/month net, possibly based in LGW? Oh dear...

looking at the "bright" side, it still beats P2F I guess.

DK
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Old 3rd Aug 2015, 23:26
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What does the average year one FO take home per month after deductions and the type rating costs? Obviously gets a bit easier at year two and three climbing the scale? Would a new joiner non rated be accepted as an SFO?
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Old 3rd Aug 2015, 23:52
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There's enough info already on this page when you combine it with stuff you can find on PPJN
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 10:35
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Year one take home for me was around 3.5-4k in summer, this figure has some overtime, without overtime it will be around 3k. Winters a different beast as no flying so reduce take home by upto a 1k.

Although that being said I got Canada in my first year, uplifted onto full time with back pay with the subsequent bonuses for the detachment, this boosted my take home in year one quite considerably. Year 2 once the OCC costs are off Its more comfortable especially with a bit of overtime. I'm hoping our union makes some inroads with PPY, more in the terms that numbers are limited. A maximum amount of PPYs at anyone time would be nice so it gives movement onto 100% while times are good with recruitment.

Having not done a winter yet on the PPY I probably portrait a more optimistic outlook financially. That being said its a great place to work, all longish sectors so maximum time in the seat gives good days off, it can get quite fatiguing with the variety of times we operate. If you have time on your hands with a long term plan then initially the OCC/PPY are short term pain factors, its a good move with basing up and down the UK.

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Old 4th Aug 2015, 13:41
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Dreamshiner,

You could apply and see what they offer you. When you are in possession of all the facts about terms, conditions, costs etc, you can make an informed choice to join or not. Circumstances change.
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 16:30
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Ha yes, I'm also big enough to accept I may not be an attractive prospect to TOM so any decision may not be mine to make.

As I covered in the PM I sent you, I have been looked after very well by my current employer and sincerely feel I owe that trust and loyalty to be repaid. It could be argued that if things hit the skids, HR would have no quibbles about jettisoning me to ensure targets/savings are made. However I've been brought up with treat other how you'd like to be treated yourself mantra.

If I did pursue something else it would be more more altruistic reasons than what I clear every month.
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 17:23
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NTR FO

Hello everyone,

Does anybody have an idea if a fighter jet pilot (not British), with a Frozen ATPL (CPL+ATPL Theory+ME/IR+MCC) and close to 2,600 hours, stands even a slim chance of getting hired by Thomson? I am a little bit disappointed (from my applications so far), due to the fact that airlines do not seem to show any respect these days to fighter jet military background, although, according to my humble opinion, we are very trainable and cooperative people. Not to mention that without any "internal" or "underground" connections, an application seems to be a complete waste of time.

I would really appreciate your responses or any recommendations you may have.
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 23:58
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Supersonic, we have lots of ex military folk in the company, I don't think your background makes any difference to your application. The recruitment team will be looking for the best candidates whether they were red leader or a Cherokee instructor at the local flying club.

Both candidates would be treated the same when they enter Wigmore towers
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 00:13
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Any ideas when the application opens? Ppjn is saying August for September assessments and January starters! Pretty short and rushed window to get guys through and be able to serve notice to current employers etc. With BA looking for a further rumoured 300 plus for 2016 and Jet2 100 plus people required its going to be an interesting winter.
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Old 8th Aug 2015, 18:04
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Plenty of ex-fighter pilots in Thomson and other UK charter co's, s.sonic but don't expect to have your pathway swept with silk dusters just by that fact. There are many high calibre candidates from various backgrounds who want the same thing you do.
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 00:20
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I think you misinterpreted my words. For sure what I DO NOT expect is a road paved of gold. On the other hand, I am almost confident that I will get a big "Thank you, but No", due to the fact that all companies are looking for 500-1000 hours multi-crew airline experience. If you are not Type Rated with 500 hours on Type or "connected" very well within the company you are applying for, your application becomes automatically invisible. I am just disappointed and i do not expect a special treatment due to my fighter jet backroad. But what I know is this..a pilot who is good at flying a C-172, will be good at flying an F-15 and also good at handling a B777..and without wanting to offend anyone, this modern minimum requirement of 500 hours multi-crew, is completely wrong and insane.
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 01:19
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"But what I know is this..a pilot who is good at flying a C-172, will be good at flying an F-15 and also good at handling a B777..and without wanting to offend anyone, this modern minimum requirement of 500 hours multi-crew, is completely wrong and insane."

Well insane is a bit leftfield. Its not exactly insane if you look at it. They want 500 hours of experience within a multi crew environment.

I think that maybe where you're miss identifying what is valued in the bubble of goods (apart from being cheap and willing. That tops it in today's world). Handling, yes. But modern commercial aviation requires good old CRM amongst a bunch of other stuff that if you study it carefully, single seat fighter ops dont actually give you relevant exposure to.

I don't doubt you're a very competent "handler" of controls being a fighter Pilot. I'm also not not saying you don't have good CRM. You may have fantastic CRM waiting to be used, I don't know you. I've flown with ex fighter guys who equally have good CRM and dire CRM. The same as non fighter guys. It's just your post seems to suggest an assumption that aircraft handling skills are the sole relevance of that particular requirement.
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