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Has anyone some information concerning salary for new joiners with some experience (over 2500 h, mostly on Airbus) and working conditions?
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Unfortunately it's currently not great with a pay by the hour contract for new joiners giving on average (if you were lucky enough to be rostered 75 hours every month to reach your 900 hour legal limit
) 4500 CHFs a month before tax , no other benefits and all your own expenses.
) 4500 CHFs a month before tax , no other benefits and all your own expenses.
Unfortunately it's currently not great with a pay by the hour contract for new joiners giving on average (if you were lucky enough to be rostered 75 hours every month to reach your 900 hour legal limit) 4500 CHFs a month before tax , no other benefits and all your own expenses.
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Yeah you are missing something. EASA absolute limit is 1000 hours and the company target for a 100% employee is 850 hours with a limit of 900 hours a year. There are 12 months in a year. Do the maths. You can not be a pilot if you think 'only 75 hours a month' is not much.
These contractors have no basic pay - if they don't fly, they aren't paid. They are only paid per scheduled block hour. It's the ultimate in efficiency. They are a flying hour 'accumulator' - there to make up the shortfall.
These contractors have no basic pay - if they don't fly, they aren't paid. They are only paid per scheduled block hour. It's the ultimate in efficiency. They are a flying hour 'accumulator' - there to make up the shortfall.
WhyByFlier: thanks for those clarifications - wasn't aware the EZS was actually doing this, I thought all regular pilots had a monthly retainer + hours flown - is it standard practice nowadays ?
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So is it better to apply for Naples/AMS or another base in Europe?
Because payed by the hour doesn't sound great. Any chance that the contract will improve again?
Because payed by the hour doesn't sound great. Any chance that the contract will improve again?
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Nope, there is a very simple rule in this industry: the working conditions, benefits and salary will only get worse and worse. This is for 3 reasons:
1/ people want to go from A to B for as cheap as possible
2/ 19 years old cadets will accept any
deal if they can have to opportunity to wear the uniform of their wet dreams and share their selfies on facebook and youtube.
3/ modern aircraft nowdays are extremely easy to operate and are very reliable. When the job is easy, the salary is low.
1/ people want to go from A to B for as cheap as possible
2/ 19 years old cadets will accept any
deal if they can have to opportunity to wear the uniform of their wet dreams and share their selfies on facebook and youtube.3/ modern aircraft nowdays are extremely easy to operate and are very reliable. When the job is easy, the salary is low.
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2/ 19 years old cadets will accept any deal if they can have to opportunity to wear the uniform of their wet dreams and share their selfies on facebook and youtube.
3/ modern aircraft nowdays are extremely easy to operate and are very reliable. When the job is easy, the salary is low.
deal if they can have to opportunity to wear the uniform of their wet dreams and share their selfies on facebook and youtube.3/ modern aircraft nowdays are extremely easy to operate and are very reliable. When the job is easy, the salary is low.
Comments like this are indicative of neither.
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modern aircraft nowdays are extremely easy to operate and are very reliable. When the job is easy, the salary is low.
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It is a fact of life that every time I take off I will have to land, eventually. It is the quality of that event that is judged. If is on the correct airfield at the correct time with less than teeth rattling impact then applause might be merited. If it is otherwise, as seems to be an increasing occurrence, then I expect questions to be asked and enquires to be made into competence.
It could also be your comments might be 'tongue in cheek'. As a 44 year old, or more, I wonder why you wish to demean your profession when its image needs enhancing. The more you spout those thoughts the more you will encourage its demise.
It could also be your comments might be 'tongue in cheek'. As a 44 year old, or more, I wonder why you wish to demean your profession when its image needs enhancing. The more you spout those thoughts the more you will encourage its demise.
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Absolute nonsense. This job is not easy, modern kit has made it easier and we may find this appreciable on aircraft like the airbus but, even now, the average man on the street can NOT do this job. We find it easy because we are professional aviators and have the aptitude (to varying levels). I really wish people would stop denigrating this profession because you hand controls to your average man on the street in turbulent conditions with weather on the margins/crosswinds etc and you see what happens...
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Wind check
I,m afraid wind checks comments are largely correct. The day to day operation of modern jets is generally easier than it has ever been, ask the insurers. It's the unaccounted for which requires the good skills and judgement. As regards denegrating the profession the Pilots themselves must take a large share of the responsibly by there actions or non-action, eg pay to fly schemes in whatever form. Can you imagine doctors allowing their profession to turn into something similar?
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At the risk of causing a certain amount of furore, the original question was not to do with the handling characteristics of aircraft, but the salary of the EZS First Officers on the paid by the hour scheme.
Firstly, I DO NOT work for EZS, but I know a couple of the guys doing this, and they are most certainly not making CHF4500.00 before tax. Over summer they have been doing between 70 and 90 hours, and with expenses (paid by the company inc paid for STBY, positioning, out of base overnights etc) they have been grossing well in excess of CHF8000.00 per month.
Yes, they pay tax on this...so does everyone. They are also fully employed, get pensions, and all the insurances and social cover that a normal employee in Switzerland gets.
They are also paid a minimum amount over winter just in case the hours are low...last Winter it was not low.
Irrespective of whether one agrees with the process, the dive to the bottom of the pot in aviation etc etc, please ensure that you make decisions based on REAL information, and not hearsay and rumour (ok it is a rumour network I admit!).
I cannot sya whterh EZS are good to work for, or not, I don't work there, but they do appear to apply the process fairly, and my friends are really vey happy...and yes they paid for the TR themselves!
Firstly, I DO NOT work for EZS, but I know a couple of the guys doing this, and they are most certainly not making CHF4500.00 before tax. Over summer they have been doing between 70 and 90 hours, and with expenses (paid by the company inc paid for STBY, positioning, out of base overnights etc) they have been grossing well in excess of CHF8000.00 per month.
Yes, they pay tax on this...so does everyone. They are also fully employed, get pensions, and all the insurances and social cover that a normal employee in Switzerland gets.
They are also paid a minimum amount over winter just in case the hours are low...last Winter it was not low.
Irrespective of whether one agrees with the process, the dive to the bottom of the pot in aviation etc etc, please ensure that you make decisions based on REAL information, and not hearsay and rumour (ok it is a rumour network I admit!).
I cannot sya whterh EZS are good to work for, or not, I don't work there, but they do appear to apply the process fairly, and my friends are really vey happy...and yes they paid for the TR themselves!
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Bob down, I DO work for EZS as many here will verify and the figures I've posted are absolutely spot on - your 'mates' are lying to you. A 90 hour month means you're stealing money from another month since the legal annual maximum is 900 hours and the company target for a full time pilot is 850. So that's 70 hours a month on average. 65 CHFs an hour X 70 hours = 4550 CHFs. Thrown in 5 standbys at 150 CHFs a standby = 5300 CHFs. Pay tax and all deductions and whaddaya got? Bingo.
EasyJet Switzerland is a franchise that operates under a seperate AOC. The benefits are, to name a few, being able to operate in lucrative, stable Switzerland, low/no corporation tax, being able to operate routes like TLV, AYT and possibly DME, sending money through the company and simply having a spare AOC. Probably a lot more complex stuff I don't know about. To the pax they know no different.
EasyJet Switzerland is a franchise that operates under a seperate AOC. The benefits are, to name a few, being able to operate in lucrative, stable Switzerland, low/no corporation tax, being able to operate routes like TLV, AYT and possibly DME, sending money through the company and simply having a spare AOC. Probably a lot more complex stuff I don't know about. To the pax they know no different.