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At risk of thread drift talking about this but it's an important subject. Depends how you're wired up amd your perception of being away. I'm away weeks. I find leaving painful but it's great when back. I know people (mentioned the navy) who go away to sea on tankers for months. When they get extended, it's for an extra month! They find it tough. A few days away long haul based out of home country is perfect to me. Keeps the spice of life going and I've done commuting which makes it seem nothing. I found on short haul I was damn ass tired, grouchy, bored of flying and the misses and I took our time together for granted anyway. I actually counted it up and even commuting on long haul I spend more "quality" time with friends and family than when back on short haul and on constant shift work.
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4468, SH pilots will be disappointed? Does that mean we won't be able to join our colleagues "at the table" for a minimum of 30 mins?
It remains to be seen whether the 'differential' with other departments relative 'Gap to market' is narrowed, retained, or widened!
We shall see soon enough.
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Regarding this rumoured introduction of a SH pay cap..... Surely they could only impose this willy nilly on new joiners to the company?
The incremental pay scales are contractural, including the current pay caps at LGW etc. Legally, I doubt that the company could just change them without agreement with the current workforce. For new joiners it would be different because they would sign up to the new deal, as per the 34 pay points scale.
The incremental pay scales are contractural, including the current pay caps at LGW etc. Legally, I doubt that the company could just change them without agreement with the current workforce. For new joiners it would be different because they would sign up to the new deal, as per the 34 pay points scale.
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BALPA can represent us as a working group and agree to changes without consulting with us. Not saying they would or have but on lesser issues this has happened.
As 4468 says, we will all have to wait for the company communication before we all look at it with stunned silence.
As 4468 says, we will all have to wait for the company communication before we all look at it with stunned silence.
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Fair enough but can it agree to contractual changes? Ie. things contained within the Memorandum of Agreement??
I doubt it. I imagine BALPA can only agree to changes in BALPA agreements, such as the hotel agreement. Pilots contracts are between the individual pilot and the company. My understanding is that the MOA, whilst negotiated by BALPA, is contractual rather than simply a union agreement. Of course, I stand to be corrected.
I imagine that non-BALPA members would be particularly annoyed if their contract were to be changed without their consent. In fact, surely that can't be legal.
Before I give the wrong impression, I am am full BALPA member.
I doubt it. I imagine BALPA can only agree to changes in BALPA agreements, such as the hotel agreement. Pilots contracts are between the individual pilot and the company. My understanding is that the MOA, whilst negotiated by BALPA, is contractual rather than simply a union agreement. Of course, I stand to be corrected.
I imagine that non-BALPA members would be particularly annoyed if their contract were to be changed without their consent. In fact, surely that can't be legal.
Before I give the wrong impression, I am am full BALPA member.
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BA shorthaul is inching its way towards a 'gun against the head' moment. 'Take these new terms and conditions or your job / that part of the company won't exist'. When that happens BALPA can negotiate and/or accept on your behalf, and your contract can be re-written. (They would probably put it to a vote, but everyone will agree because there will be no real choice).
When that point comes you suddenly won't be worrying about all those minor scuffles you had about crew food, or whether a certain hotel is really up to scratch. The company will have you by the proverbials and you'll agree to what you thought you'd never agree to.
BA shorthaul requires a cost base similar to other operators. It's held out for a good while now, but the consequences of that fact are heading its way. It's a pity, and it'll be painful. The arse end of capitalism.
For those about to retire from this industry, what fabulous luck that you are stepping off the ship just at the right time. For those of us with a few years to run - things are only heading in one direction - more work for less than you expected.
Hey ho.
When that point comes you suddenly won't be worrying about all those minor scuffles you had about crew food, or whether a certain hotel is really up to scratch. The company will have you by the proverbials and you'll agree to what you thought you'd never agree to.
BA shorthaul requires a cost base similar to other operators. It's held out for a good while now, but the consequences of that fact are heading its way. It's a pity, and it'll be painful. The arse end of capitalism.
For those about to retire from this industry, what fabulous luck that you are stepping off the ship just at the right time. For those of us with a few years to run - things are only heading in one direction - more work for less than you expected.
Hey ho.
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In all our contracts is a collective bargaining agreement which gives BACC the ability to negotiate and agree on our behalf. If you're not in the union, you are still subject to the agreements made.
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BA CCQ 320 application
They must be desperate....
Wonder why they're not finding enough people?
First they were targeting the Monarch guys (320 rated), then the Cargolux guys (B747 rated). Who is their target with this one?
Wonder why they're not finding enough people?
First they were targeting the Monarch guys (320 rated), then the Cargolux guys (B747 rated). Who is their target with this one?
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To be considered for our current A320 CCQ shorthaul vacancies you will need: a current type rating on the Airbus A330 or A340, to be currently operating the aircraft (up to the point of your course start with British Airways) and a minimum of 500 hrs experience on type
What's the point of recruiting A330/340 pilots and then pay for their CCQ when they are loads of 320 rated pilots out there ??? I really don't get this...
Any thoughts ? Anyone ?
What's the point of recruiting A330/340 pilots and then pay for their CCQ when they are loads of 320 rated pilots out there ??? I really don't get this...
Any thoughts ? Anyone ?
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All very strange, I had an email alert from BA today asking me to apply for the 330/340 CCQ TO 320 ....... I'm 320/321 rated not 330/340.
So burning question is, are they still taking 320 guys as this email alert would indicate they are. Or is this another cockup on their website like the last one, which showed 320, 747-400, 757, 767, 777 and 787 but didn't allow you any further if you were only 320 rated......????
So burning question is, are they still taking 320 guys as this email alert would indicate they are. Or is this another cockup on their website like the last one, which showed 320, 747-400, 757, 767, 777 and 787 but didn't allow you any further if you were only 320 rated......????
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In the 2008 and 2011 recruitment drives pretty much everyone I knew that could apply, did. This time round I can't name one person, but for understandable personal reasons... New commands, aged 35 plus, not living South or not wishing to return to the UK yet after the last industry fallout.
I just wonder where all the UK applicants will come from, given most feeder jet operators have gone. Not many experienced, current and available folk about when you exclude FR and EZY as per the job posting.
I just wonder where all the UK applicants will come from, given most feeder jet operators have gone. Not many experienced, current and available folk about when you exclude FR and EZY as per the job posting.
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Are A320 pilots being accepted by BA
I am a 1000 hr M.......ch FO. I was rejected at the first day of tests..you know. The ones to see if you are good enough to be an airline pilot..the tests must be flawed cos my flying record is flawless above average throughout and passing all my check rides to captain standard.....are BA looking for managers/corporate types who could stall an Airbus into the Atlantic?
Perhaps the HR guys at BA have gone rogue or something !
I know many guys of first class quality both personally and as pilots who have been turned down.....what ARE they looking for?
Perhaps the HR guys at BA have gone rogue or something !
I know many guys of first class quality both personally and as pilots who have been turned down.....what ARE they looking for?
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Bloody good question HA. You probably have just too many hours. I know of an SFO with same company with 4500 hours, most on 320, and also with an impeccable flying career who "failed" at the same hurdle. Yet CTC candidates with nothing under the belt get through.
I've witnessed some very strange results from BA selections amongst the F.Os where I work, good solid people get rejected and others who scrapped along the bottom standards of both technical and non technical skills were taken. I believe that the BA system is as inaccurate a method of selection as any other airline that has allowed HR to interfere.
I haven't applied my self, so have no first hand knowledge of the tests and procedures but the stuff described by colleagues doesn't seem to me to be suitable for selecting aircrew.
I haven't applied my self, so have no first hand knowledge of the tests and procedures but the stuff described by colleagues doesn't seem to me to be suitable for selecting aircrew.