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Old 26th Sep 2014, 19:21
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Out of interest, got offered a place in the pool or offered a start date?
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Old 26th Sep 2014, 19:30
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Cheers for the reply binsleepen.

Seniority is my only hope. Fortunately that might keep me safe but questions will have to be asked on the longevity of the business. But that's not relevant here.

Unfortunately things aren't as simple with the respect of people leaving and redundancies. But you're right the more voluntary redundancies and notices being handed in should decrease the amount of compulsory redundancies handed out. But, like I say it's not that simple sadly.

One door closes and another opens and all that crap!
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Old 27th Sep 2014, 08:18
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Sprinkles,

i don't know your total time but with 1800 hrs on a fbw airbus i think you qualify for at least a couple of airlines in the ME.
I wish you all the best
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 07:07
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Any info regarding the B744 fleet?
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 07:59
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747 fleet, I am not on it but it's a large fleet still around 45-50 aircraft (best estimate) and whilst it is being retired this will take about 10 years. Good route network, those on it seem to love it. Being DEP you will not get a choice of work due to seniority so expect blind lines. Often these work out quite nicely actually.
Starting pay is 52k and FPA is £630 a month. Duty pay is probably up around the 1k a month. Full time is about 4 trips a month.

This is what I am told by some that I know on that fleet but it's just a ball park. I am sure someone else can be more accurate.
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 09:16
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Not a bad summary but I suspect many junior full timers are going to be looking at 5 or more trips a month as most of the long range stuff migrates onto the newer fleets.

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Old 28th Sep 2014, 09:46
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It will be interesting to see how the EASA rules and new Bidline change how the work allocation happens on the Jurassic Fleet, particularly as the long range trips move to the newer, more efficient fleets. 6 transaltantics a month anyone?
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 10:25
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Non Type Rated DEP

So with the trawl for 320 rated apparently struggling to attract enough people. DEP on to LH open and the managed path for military pilots advertised is there any possibility Non Rated DEP will make it down to those of us flying Turbo Props and Regional Jets. Like many of my colleagues I would very much like a shot at BA and the opportunity to progress in the industry.
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 11:23
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See my post 721. Not much has changed in 4 days....

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Old 28th Sep 2014, 12:15
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binsleepin,

Hope you're still enjoying BA 6 years in. Sounds like you are. Have you joined the recruitment department?

Just wondering if BA will ever look to recruit experienced A380 drivers in the future?

Not interested myself but I know others are.

Always good to know ones worldwide options on a rare fleet..!
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 14:42
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Just wondering if BA will ever look to recruit experienced A380 drivers in the future?
Ultimately nobody knows, but that said it's increasingly looks like it's always going to be a small fleet in which case my guess is (IMHO) all the seats easily filled by internal transfer.
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 15:47
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Sprinkles

Whilst the prospect of redundancy must be extremely stressful, try not to be overly disheartened by the rejection from BA. On paper I'm sure you appear a safe bet; greater than 1500hrs on the bus with a background established in two respected operators. I think you are probably selling yourself short when it comes to airlines in the Gulf. I know of at least one where you exceed the requirements. The ME isn't ideal but it's a stable job with better command prospects than BA. Hopefully you won't have to venture that route but if if you do..

As consolation, the BA DEP process is littered with traps which could see you fall at the slightest of hurdles. In my opinion and experience, the further that you get within the process only leads to greater disappointment when you fail. All "offers" will be for a holding pool with no guarantee of a start date. There has been an ongoing and disheartening record of people making it, only not to actually make it in the end. And whilst I'm sure LC and his team of recruiters see this as completely undesirable, it has occurred in the last two campaigns. Been there, bought the t-shirt. It isn't pretty.

BA have went from a position of dumping a DEP hold pool and denouncing any future prospect of further DEP hire to a desperate need for DEPs across multiple fleets in less than 12 months. There is now a requirement for LH hire, something that had been completely discounted by many within. From this it is difficult to fathom what's going on. However could a hold pool place be argued as a safe bet considering previous and more recent occurrences? A hard one to answer I'd say.

Best of luck for the future

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Old 28th Sep 2014, 16:52
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Callsign & Bin spleen,

Just out of interest, for those who are successful when are the 'projected' courses for new LH recruits?

Thanks
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 18:44
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Given how short they are on the 744 I'd imagine the courses would start just as soon as you could work your notice with your present employer....
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 18:55
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Oh... Thanks!
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 23:47
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The recruitment process takes 2-3 months at the minimum from application to hold pool. Job offers are given a minimum of 3 months prior to courses starting in order to allow the applicant to give in their notice to their present employer.

Therefore for applications going in now I wouldn't expect a training course before the end of March '15, but that is just my opinion.

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Old 29th Sep 2014, 04:59
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bex88

Out of curiosity, with those figures you quoted, is FPA (circa 650) a monthly occurrence? Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term...

So (if my poor maths holds up), you're looking at a basic of around 4300PCM, plus 650 + 1000, so around 5000 gross (3500 net) per month as a DEP on long haul?

I only ask as I have a few mates interested in applying to get back home, just wondering how the numbers stack up, not that money is the main driver, for most its the desire to move back home.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 15:36
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£52kpa + another £12kpa in duty pay gives you £64000 per year. At current tax rate that netts you approximately £3700 per month after tax and NI. If you pay the max 6% into your pension then your take home becomes £3500.

On top of that are your allowances at approx £650 per month. These are, I believe, taxed at a very marginal rate (if at all) and so you can expect to see £5-600 of that in your pay packet. Take home pay, per month then would be approximately £4100 per month.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 17:35
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OUCH!!!

As much as I would love to chuck in the towel with the mob I work for in HKG, my take home pay (including housing) is THREE TIMES that.

I know money isn't everything, but that's a show stopper.

Shame.

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Old 29th Sep 2014, 18:01
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Yeah... but what we're talking about here is starting FO pay. There are 34 pay points...

Is your pay, FO or Capts pay, do you have seniority etc?
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