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Recruitment automatic email FAQs:
I was unsuccessful at a previous British Airways recruitment application, when can I reapply?
If you had stumbled at the initial online application screening stage, you would be eligible to apply again after 6 months. If you attended Waterside for any of the subsequent selection stages, the wait is 12 months from the date of testing, or 6 months from any other stage of application whichever is the greater.
I was unsuccessful at a previous British Airways recruitment application, when can I reapply?
If you had stumbled at the initial online application screening stage, you would be eligible to apply again after 6 months. If you attended Waterside for any of the subsequent selection stages, the wait is 12 months from the date of testing, or 6 months from any other stage of application whichever is the greater.
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From: Here there and everywhere...
Maybe not the ideal thread for this queation, but how will the LHR ULEZ affect BA employees and their ability to park at LHR?
Are BA employees essentially going to have to pay to go to work and park in a private vehicle?
Has this issue been raised internally or by the Union?
Just curious.
Thanks.
Are BA employees essentially going to have to pay to go to work and park in a private vehicle?
Has this issue been raised internally or by the Union?
Just curious.
Thanks.
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From: The Winchester
I think you are correct AH....Heathrow media statement here.
As I understand it from other sources those working at the airport will be exempt from the charges.
As I understand it from other sources those working at the airport will be exempt from the charges.
Last edited by wiggy; 2nd June 2019 at 11:20.
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From: The Winchester
As Toolong says it’s definitely “Fake News”, though in various forms it has been circulating for a few days. Don’t know why how or why it started and FWIW yours is the first version where it’s been tagged as being associated with a specific fleet.
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From: York
Although you say, ‘Chinese whispers’/rumour or whatever... as someone who has always hoped, considered, been intrigued with working for their national carrier... where would a 777 bod (I accept it was mentioned the rumour was tagged to 777) be potentially looking to go? I get the debate on the 320 vs Easy DEC... but for a longhaul guy/gal who’s living at home you take the rough with the smooth, generally living with the niggles that every company has (there is no perfect company). Not much else going on longhaul in the UK at the moment or is there - Virgin, TUI? Commuting contract overseas? or are these folks young, super junior and being screwed by the bidding system and looking to earn a few bucks wherever they can get it?
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From: chances are, not at home
I hear it can reach 6 trips per month on the 777. That's more than a niggle - I used to just about cope with four, 5 would wipe me out, but six!!! That's really really unhealthy, to the extent I would personally quit flying if I couldn't find something else less damaging.
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From: Tokyo
Advice for initial assessment
Hello,
I'm aware this thread had been going for a while and Ive looked over thtjs thread for the last while.
Is there any recommendations on preparing for the initial stage. On previous attempts I always thought I had prepared enough but apparently not.
thanks in advance
I'm aware this thread had been going for a while and Ive looked over thtjs thread for the last while.
Is there any recommendations on preparing for the initial stage. On previous attempts I always thought I had prepared enough but apparently not.
thanks in advance
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From: The Home of the Gnomes
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From: UK
Which is why we continue to be our own worst enemy. In BA especially, I have been astounded at how many people relentlessly soldier on through some of the most appalling roster sequences I've ever seen (6/1 and repeat on SH), as if their own health is irrelevant and reporting fatigued isn't even an option. Perhaps if more people told the company where to shove it, things would eventually change - working everyone to the bone would then become counter productive. I've not been in BA long, but I myself have already had far more roster-induced sickness here than my previous airline. The problem however is encouraging more people to say enough is enough. BA have played a blinder by instilling a culture of fear that seemingly dissuades people from doing so.
One would hope of course that eventually companies like BA will acknowledge (forcibly or otherwise) that rostering everyone to the extremes of EASA is unsustainable and ultimately costs more when people finally fall over later down the line. KLM certainly made a step in the right direction when they awarded their pilots a 4% pay increase along with a 4% reduction in work. It's a shame BA still have the blinkers so firmly in place.
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From: England
Even if that were to happen, you can guarantee that airlines would simply find a way of pinning the blame on the pilot for reporting for work fatigued in the first place. It's all over the manuals - "pilots should not operate if they suspect they are fatigued". Clearly it's written with about as much sincerity as BA's latest box-ticking email on mental health, but it's something they'll still gladly point to in the event of any fatigue related incident.
Which is why we continue to be our own worst enemy. In BA especially, I have been astounded at how many people relentlessly soldier on through some of the most appalling roster sequences I've ever seen (6/1 and repeat on SH), as if their own health is irrelevant and reporting fatigued isn't even an option. Perhaps if more people told the company where to shove it, things would eventually change - working everyone to the bone would then become counter productive. I've not been in BA long, but I myself have already had far more roster-induced sickness here than my previous airline. The problem however is encouraging more people to say enough is enough. BA have played a blinder by instilling a culture of fear that seemingly dissuades people from doing so.
One would hope of course that eventually companies like BA will acknowledge (forcibly or otherwise) that rostering everyone to the extremes of EASA is unsustainable and ultimately costs more when people finally fall over later down the line. KLM certainly made a step in the right direction when they awarded their pilots a 4% pay increase along with a 4% reduction in work. It's a shame BA still have the blinkers so firmly in place.
Which is why we continue to be our own worst enemy. In BA especially, I have been astounded at how many people relentlessly soldier on through some of the most appalling roster sequences I've ever seen (6/1 and repeat on SH), as if their own health is irrelevant and reporting fatigued isn't even an option. Perhaps if more people told the company where to shove it, things would eventually change - working everyone to the bone would then become counter productive. I've not been in BA long, but I myself have already had far more roster-induced sickness here than my previous airline. The problem however is encouraging more people to say enough is enough. BA have played a blinder by instilling a culture of fear that seemingly dissuades people from doing so.
One would hope of course that eventually companies like BA will acknowledge (forcibly or otherwise) that rostering everyone to the extremes of EASA is unsustainable and ultimately costs more when people finally fall over later down the line. KLM certainly made a step in the right direction when they awarded their pilots a 4% pay increase along with a 4% reduction in work. It's a shame BA still have the blinkers so firmly in place.
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From: Germany
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From: The Winchester
Is it not a problem partially of the workforces making though? If you have huge constraints placed on rostering by a seniority based system that has junior guys picking up multiple low credit trips, because those above them are picking out the highly credit dense stuff, leaving the scraps at the bottom?
,As for the resistance to “going fatigued” which has been noted, I think a lot of that is down to historic reasons:
Certainly “in the old days” where your working hours were (possibly, certainly in Long Haul on some fleets) much more likely to be capped by time away from base (I.e. TAFB/4) than flying hours there was a mindset that “no-one gets fatigued under Bidline”/“no-one gets fatigued at BA”. Of course rostering has morphed over the years but that attitude is still very much entrenched in the institutional memory. It is certainly interesting to hear many of the newer DEPs explain how relatively straightforward it was to declare fatigue at their previous operator vs. how difficult it can appear to be at BA.
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From: Germany
Not sure how limiting to 3 ABV and 3 JFK is supposed to mitigate fatigue though. Needs to be done by limiting the max number of trips operating in the WOCL if fatigue were the target... EASA is unrealistically too focused upon time zone changes that have little to nil effect on fatigue with the time spent away.
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From: The Winchester
Needs to be done by limiting the max number of trips operating in the WOCL if fatigue were the target
apart from the EASA is unrealistically too focused upon time zone changes that have little to nil effect on fatigue with the time spent away.
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From: EU
To add some perspective to how fatigue is managed at 2 other UK airlines I've worked for.
Call crewing.
"Im fatigued for my duty"
"Ok I'll take you off"
"Thanks bye"
And you'd never hear about it again from anyone. No follow up phone call or email. All you would have to do is fill in a fatigue questionnaire as to what caused your fatigue. And anything from jet lag, to a night flight to a screaming baby at home are perfectly acceptable reasons. In fact, you're completely untouchable when you go fatigued. More so than if you call sick.
Call crewing.
"Im fatigued for my duty"
"Ok I'll take you off"
"Thanks bye"
And you'd never hear about it again from anyone. No follow up phone call or email. All you would have to do is fill in a fatigue questionnaire as to what caused your fatigue. And anything from jet lag, to a night flight to a screaming baby at home are perfectly acceptable reasons. In fact, you're completely untouchable when you go fatigued. More so than if you call sick.
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From: Germany
That said, the culture imho is very different to the one represented above. I am curious to see if views are based upon actual bad experience or perception of how one would be treated. I’ve not heard bad things from people who have needed to take a little recovery time, it’s a shame those views are not represented above.
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To add some perspective to how fatigue is managed at 2 other UK airlines I've worked for.
Call crewing.
"Im fatigued for my duty"
"Ok I'll take you off"
"Thanks bye"
And you'd never hear about it again from anyone. No follow up phone call or email. All you would have to do is fill in a fatigue questionnaire as to what caused your fatigue. And anything from jet lag, to a night flight to a screaming baby at home are perfectly acceptable reasons. In fact, you're completely untouchable when you go fatigued. More so than if you call sick.
Call crewing.
"Im fatigued for my duty"
"Ok I'll take you off"
"Thanks bye"
And you'd never hear about it again from anyone. No follow up phone call or email. All you would have to do is fill in a fatigue questionnaire as to what caused your fatigue. And anything from jet lag, to a night flight to a screaming baby at home are perfectly acceptable reasons. In fact, you're completely untouchable when you go fatigued. More so than if you call sick.
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From: UK
In my experience it’s basically the same. Contrary to popular belief BA won’t hunt you down if you report fatigued. I’ve had nothing but support when I’ve called in fatigued and all they’ve asked me to do is fill in an ASR with “Fatigue Report” in the title and let them know when I’m happy to resume my roster.
