Warning: Blue Panorama Airlines DON'T pay
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Warning: Blue Panorama Airlines DON'T pay
Blue Panorama Airlines still owe substantial pay/money to contracting pilots for contracts completed last year. Astonishingly!!!Blue Panorama and several agencies are now advertising these same contracts again despite pilots still being owed money!!
The pilots, after fruitless attempts to recovery money owed, are now initiating legal action agains the contracting agency.
WARNING: If you sign up for these contracts: You will be paid over 5 weeks late and the last two months of the contract will not be paid... Despite agencies promises!!!!!
The pilots, after fruitless attempts to recovery money owed, are now initiating legal action agains the contracting agency.
WARNING: If you sign up for these contracts: You will be paid over 5 weeks late and the last two months of the contract will not be paid... Despite agencies promises!!!!!
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you should name the agency as well !!!
Unfortunately in the last couple of years the overall tendency of all those agencies is that they are becoming just bloodsuckers.The good old times with agencies like parc, etc are gone. even parc today is not what it was in the past. going all the same way down.
agencies today DO NEVER EVER care about there pilots anymore.
so kindly name this agency to the benefit of all of us in the contract-pilot-community. btw: is it SIGMA
Unfortunately in the last couple of years the overall tendency of all those agencies is that they are becoming just bloodsuckers.The good old times with agencies like parc, etc are gone. even parc today is not what it was in the past. going all the same way down.
agencies today DO NEVER EVER care about there pilots anymore.
so kindly name this agency to the benefit of all of us in the contract-pilot-community. btw: is it SIGMA
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"Mummy Mummy I want a cowboy outfit for Christmas" OK Dear I will buy you Blue Panorama 
Been like that since 2000, & assuredly before. . good to see "standards" being maintained. Wonder if they still call you (expecting you
) to fly half way through your legal rest/ expect you to refuel & use a leaking centre tank deemed unusable by Boeing etc etc . . . . . . I guess all that stuff hasn't changed either.
As per previous poster, please advise us of the agency, as there are two "Baddies" in this story.
Been like that since 2000, & assuredly before. . good to see "standards" being maintained. Wonder if they still call you (expecting you
) to fly half way through your legal rest/ expect you to refuel & use a leaking centre tank deemed unusable by Boeing etc etc . . . . . . I guess all that stuff hasn't changed either.As per previous poster, please advise us of the agency, as there are two "Baddies" in this story.
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Well, looks like contractair is 1 of the "agencies" and may be trying to "sell" this to us.....
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They have always paid me and if they take money upfront like a sensible agency waht is the problem. Not only am I always paid but always before pay date how bad is that. If they werent sharp they wouldnt have been around for so long .........
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The charter business was seriously damaged during the last years and the riots in Egypt and other areas didn't help this kind of charter company to have a solid income.
So no wonder they treat you like slaves. They want to save themselves before anybody else.
So no wonder they treat you like slaves. They want to save themselves before anybody else.
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As a previous agency recruiter and then owner, and having contracted with Blue Panorama, I can speak with some inside knowledge.
Firstly, as a rule of thumb, all an agency looks for is a bona fida and honored contract that keeps both themselves and the contract personnel happy, they want to get paid as well as the contractors want to be paid but that is living in a perfect world.
Not just Blue Panorama but I have contracted with a number of Italian Airlines and, pretty much, they are all the same, well it seems Italian accountants are all the same, whereas they pay no attention to invoice "pay by" dates whilst Flight Operations may well be cancelling flights because contract personnel have downed tools having not been paid.
Of the Italian Flight Operations Management I have worked with, G.T. of Blue Panorama in particular, all they want is a happy workforce with services operated and often themselves they are "shouting" at their accounts department to pay the invoices with only so much effect, Italian accountants really are a law unto themselves.
Yes, the agencies do hold a one month security deposit which is to be used as a last resort, if that were used to pay the personnel one month or monthly then any security deposit is gone and as soon as the Italian accountants may learn that staff are being paid before the invoices are paid then they would delay paying the invoices even further.
But, from the airline perspective, some contract personnel are their own worst enemy and tend to give contract personnel in general a less than good reputation and, of course, such word spreads to accounts departments thus may influence them to delay paying contract personnel invoices.
And without knowing the precise circumstances of "English Rendezvous's" complaint I have previously experienced contractors and their creative accounting including one First Officer who went ballistic because the airline refused his claim for 24 hours per-diem for being away from base over 31 June and, if not picked up before invoicing, will delay the payment of such invoices.
I'm out of the industry now so I have no personal interest to distort the truth, I'm just saying how it is, or was, and the problem was, is, and shall always be, the Italian accountants.
Firstly, as a rule of thumb, all an agency looks for is a bona fida and honored contract that keeps both themselves and the contract personnel happy, they want to get paid as well as the contractors want to be paid but that is living in a perfect world.
Not just Blue Panorama but I have contracted with a number of Italian Airlines and, pretty much, they are all the same, well it seems Italian accountants are all the same, whereas they pay no attention to invoice "pay by" dates whilst Flight Operations may well be cancelling flights because contract personnel have downed tools having not been paid.
Of the Italian Flight Operations Management I have worked with, G.T. of Blue Panorama in particular, all they want is a happy workforce with services operated and often themselves they are "shouting" at their accounts department to pay the invoices with only so much effect, Italian accountants really are a law unto themselves.
Yes, the agencies do hold a one month security deposit which is to be used as a last resort, if that were used to pay the personnel one month or monthly then any security deposit is gone and as soon as the Italian accountants may learn that staff are being paid before the invoices are paid then they would delay paying the invoices even further.
But, from the airline perspective, some contract personnel are their own worst enemy and tend to give contract personnel in general a less than good reputation and, of course, such word spreads to accounts departments thus may influence them to delay paying contract personnel invoices.
And without knowing the precise circumstances of "English Rendezvous's" complaint I have previously experienced contractors and their creative accounting including one First Officer who went ballistic because the airline refused his claim for 24 hours per-diem for being away from base over 31 June and, if not picked up before invoicing, will delay the payment of such invoices.
I'm out of the industry now so I have no personal interest to distort the truth, I'm just saying how it is, or was, and the problem was, is, and shall always be, the Italian accountants.
