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From: Planet Moo Moo
Binsleepin is correct,
The 'basic' is pensionable (
) and the variable is paid depending upon how much you work or the value of the trips you choose/are assigned. Less popular trips come with higher credit and higher pay. The pensionable pay was stabilised higher about 10 years ago with a reduction in the variable pay which used to make up between 40-50% of you monthly take home, good news for those joining on BARP!
The variable pay is also taxed at a different rate to the basic pay so you get to keep more of it however the HMRC expect you to spend it all out of country for the tax privilege
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The 'basic' is pensionable (
) and the variable is paid depending upon how much you work or the value of the trips you choose/are assigned. Less popular trips come with higher credit and higher pay. The pensionable pay was stabilised higher about 10 years ago with a reduction in the variable pay which used to make up between 40-50% of you monthly take home, good news for those joining on BARP!The variable pay is also taxed at a different rate to the basic pay so you get to keep more of it however the HMRC expect you to spend it all out of country for the tax privilege
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From: UK
I'm pretty certain there will be no non-rated DEP recruitment in either 2014 or 2015 so unless you've already got something useful on your licence you're probably out of luck for the next couple of years. Also, I'm not quite sure what Wirbelstrum means when he says that "Less popular trips come with higher credit." Credit is calculated either using flying hours or time away from base (or a minimum amount differing for short and long haul); there is no adjustment for popular or unpopular trips. Singapore, Hong Kong, Bangkok etc are extremely popular trips and also attract some of the highest credit.
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From: Hertfordshire
Just a point of note on FPP; I think the original press releases said that BA would look to recruit 800 pilots over the next 5 years, 400 would be FPP and the other 400 would be DEP or ex-Military.
In terms of FPP numbers, the first intake was 92, the second last year was 74 and I think this year is 60 (correct me if I'm slightly off!) so it seems that the FPP average of 80 a year is not being met as we stand.
By the sounds of it the DEP recruitment is also nothing like 80 a year (perhaps owing to the bmi takeover and influx of pilots from that, or additional ex-mil guys), so perhaps BA have just been biding their time a little while things pick up and in 2014-16 we could see some serious movement?
In terms of FPP numbers, the first intake was 92, the second last year was 74 and I think this year is 60 (correct me if I'm slightly off!) so it seems that the FPP average of 80 a year is not being met as we stand.
By the sounds of it the DEP recruitment is also nothing like 80 a year (perhaps owing to the bmi takeover and influx of pilots from that, or additional ex-mil guys), so perhaps BA have just been biding their time a little while things pick up and in 2014-16 we could see some serious movement?
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From: UK
Does BA still have a compulsory retirement age?
Clearly BA pilots are unable to exercise the privileges of their licence after their 65th birthday under current ICAO rules, and therefore have to leave BA.
If and when ICAO remove that restriction, or extend it, then so does the ability to work for BA...
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From: Alba
I retired when the Normal and Compulsory retirement ages were both 55, but I was keen to retire and get on with the rest of my life - on a great pension. I also grabbed the opportunity (post 9/11) of 3 years of 50% part time before retiring.
I suppose that 55 year olds now will no longer be near the top of the bidline so will be tempted to stay on for a chance to cream off the best trips.
There was talk (way back) that those electing to stay on after retirement age should start losing seniority, instead of gaining more (to encourage those with full pensions to retire). I don't suppose that ever happened?
I suppose that 55 year olds now will no longer be near the top of the bidline so will be tempted to stay on for a chance to cream off the best trips.
There was talk (way back) that those electing to stay on after retirement age should start losing seniority, instead of gaining more (to encourage those with full pensions to retire). I don't suppose that ever happened?
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From: Middle England
I'm not sure to be honest. The fact remains that it is blatant age discrimination. You could pass your sim, medical and line check within three days and then be fired on the fourth, just because of a birthday. I've flown with plenty of people well into their sixties who are in far better physical and mental shape than some half their age. It is surely only a matter of time before a legal challenge is mounted. Maybe in one of the many EU courts?
As it stands, I will be forced to retire at 65 and wait until 67 before my state pension kicks in. And I'll bet the farm that will move before I get there.
As it stands, I will be forced to retire at 65 and wait until 67 before my state pension kicks in. And I'll bet the farm that will move before I get there.
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From: London, UK
Which court do you use to challenge ICAO
Personnel Licensing FAQ
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From: Siberia
I've flown with plenty of people well into their sixties who are in far better physical and mental shape than some half their age
Wouldn't it be better to just bale out gracefully rather than watch things go downhill and end up being pushed? Lets face it, we can't go on forever. Its quite similar to OAP drivers who continue to drive when you really would rather not have to put up with them, but they just don't know when to call it a day.
When you get to 65 go play golf or do some weeding. There's more to life. By then you'll probably have such a massive airline pilot pension pot that you shouldn't need to do it anymore.
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From: Middle England
I fully intend to pack in well before 65. However, who knows what might happen before then? A Greek Government style raid on our savings? An expensive divorce? The fact remains that if someone can pass all the checks, then they should be allowed to continue in their role. Otherwise, what is the point of any checking in the first place?