Hats off to the RPG!
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Hats off to the RPG!
I'm no fan of MOL but to the RPG, my admiration!
Well done all!
Pilots wear 'union' logo in defiance of Ryanair bosses - Home News - UK - The Independent
Well done all!
Pilots wear 'union' logo in defiance of Ryanair bosses - Home News - UK - The Independent
Last edited by kick the tires; 3rd June 2013 at 14:42.
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Not a Ryanair pilot, but great to see a show of solidarity, hang in there!
To above poster, BALPA don't publish member names, so why should the RPG? Also, wearing a union logo is completely different to wearing a competitors logo. Frankly, you sound like the perfect Ryanair employee in the eyes of their management! Looks like their recruitment strategy is working well!
To above poster, BALPA don't publish member names, so why should the RPG? Also, wearing a union logo is completely different to wearing a competitors logo. Frankly, you sound like the perfect Ryanair employee in the eyes of their management! Looks like their recruitment strategy is working well!
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Finger Flyer..
So the RPG is pathetic ?
One day, if and when you grow up, you might come to realise that pilots with attitudes like yours are the the reason that terms and conditions in RYR are as they are now, and getting worse.
The amoral management style in RYR is having a knock on effect in the industry as a whole.
Head in the sand arse in the air fence sitters like yourself will never change anything. People who care, and are prepared to act, just might.
You say you have a free RYR lanyard. ... So congratulations are in order for attending the roadshow four months ago... Did you by chance filter out the useful information from the propaganda and self congratulatory rhetoric?
So the RPG is pathetic ?
One day, if and when you grow up, you might come to realise that pilots with attitudes like yours are the the reason that terms and conditions in RYR are as they are now, and getting worse.
The amoral management style in RYR is having a knock on effect in the industry as a whole.
Head in the sand arse in the air fence sitters like yourself will never change anything. People who care, and are prepared to act, just might.
You say you have a free RYR lanyard. ... So congratulations are in order for attending the roadshow four months ago... Did you by chance filter out the useful information from the propaganda and self congratulatory rhetoric?
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In my base there are plenty of lanyards around people's necks and most of my colleagues have participated in the ballots so far.
I don't know about overall statistics but over here it's well above 50%.
Pathetic are the conditions we are forced to work under, not the RPG.
By the way, before the likes of finger flier start the usual "you knew the T & C when you sighed and if you don't like it then leave" , let me stress that people are free to go as well as they are free to stay and fight and if you don't like it then you can leave.
I don't know about overall statistics but over here it's well above 50%.
Pathetic are the conditions we are forced to work under, not the RPG.
By the way, before the likes of finger flier start the usual "you knew the T & C when you sighed and if you don't like it then leave" , let me stress that people are free to go as well as they are free to stay and fight and if you don't like it then you can leave.
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Taken from the thread "Is Ryanair REALLY that bad to work for?"
FingerFlyer
I love your optimism!
FingerFlyer
Thanks for rephrasing. If they offered me sick and holiday pay, obviously I would take it, I don't need it therefore it doesn't bother me that I don't get it. I'm not greedy so I don't want it
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FingerFlyer - are you actually a professional pilot? It states in your profile that you are, but with comments like yours....I do wonder..
I am a professional pilot, and I do class what I do as work. If you are indeed a professional, that comment alone make me wish I never have to have the displeasure of sharing a flight deck with you.
Whether or not you work for Ryanair - if you are in this industry, you will, one day, in some way, be affected by MOL's enterprise. He sets the bar low, and all other operators bean-counters will aspire to the same lows to maximize profits.
Yes, T's & C's in every industry are declining, but is that a justifiable reason to roll over and take it? Both organisations you list have employees that at the very least benefit from things like sick leave and aren't expected to suddenly find themselves working in a different store or hospital at the drop of a hat and at their expense.....Unlike the majority of Ryanair pilots.
And just for the record, I don't work for Ryanair, but that doesn't mean I don't support their struggle for recognition and fair terms and conditions.
I am a professional pilot, and I do class what I do as work. If you are indeed a professional, that comment alone make me wish I never have to have the displeasure of sharing a flight deck with you.
Whether or not you work for Ryanair - if you are in this industry, you will, one day, in some way, be affected by MOL's enterprise. He sets the bar low, and all other operators bean-counters will aspire to the same lows to maximize profits.
Yes, T's & C's in every industry are declining, but is that a justifiable reason to roll over and take it? Both organisations you list have employees that at the very least benefit from things like sick leave and aren't expected to suddenly find themselves working in a different store or hospital at the drop of a hat and at their expense.....Unlike the majority of Ryanair pilots.
And just for the record, I don't work for Ryanair, but that doesn't mean I don't support their struggle for recognition and fair terms and conditions.
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Originally Posted by fingerflyer
I have a realistic view on life and don't have my head up my bottom, unlike many people on here.
You claim to possess a more rounded view of what work is then, denounce flying as some sort of hobby; some sort of easy life. Modern airline flying is tiring, non stop work flow. Seamlessly trying to integrate several groups on your aircraft and the ground, especially short haul, 20 minute turn around flying. Your view of flying as a fun easy day is out dated and smacks of a disenfranchised youngster who hasn't bought his way in somewhere yet. You've clearly never borne the responsibility of command and I doubt you have any commercial operational experience.
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Good Lord! This chap sounds like he's trying to get a fast track into management.
I flew over 800hrs last year consistently delivering safe professional standards in a hazardous and unhealthy environment. Add probably about 400 unpaid hours of turnarounds, flight planning, paperwork; a few hundred more of unpaid standbys. I can tell you - this is work. And yes, I have worked elsewhere including on the minimum wage and in a job where people shoot at me.
You really do sound a bit daft FF.
I flew over 800hrs last year consistently delivering safe professional standards in a hazardous and unhealthy environment. Add probably about 400 unpaid hours of turnarounds, flight planning, paperwork; a few hundred more of unpaid standbys. I can tell you - this is work. And yes, I have worked elsewhere including on the minimum wage and in a job where people shoot at me.
You really do sound a bit daft FF.
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As one of the many people looking to get their first break while my friends have got theirs I have to say it's good to see somebody standing up to RYR's current practices to try and make it a better place to be for all.
Hopefully the get some success and show the beancounters that there is a little bit more to airlines than a massive bottom line figure
Hopefully the get some success and show the beancounters that there is a little bit more to airlines than a massive bottom line figure
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FingerFlyer writes:
FingerFlyer writes:
So do you work for FR or not? And if you're a contractor isn't it a bit disingenuous to say you don't work for FR?
Regardless, while I understand your love for the job (I love the job as well), never forget it IS a job, and it gets harder- especially as the years wear on and you have kids and the earlies/lates/jetlag start taking their toll. If you are a qualified professional entrusted with a fair amount of responsibility, you should be paid accordingly. However you only earn what you can negotiate, and you can only negotiate what you think you're worth if you believe you're worth something in the first place!
Good luck RYR pilots, I admire your managing to remain professional in that poisonous atmosphere that squalid man creates.
I'm not an ideal Ryanair employee, as I'm not a Ryanair employee.
I have the pleasure of sharing the flight deck with people like you many times, I can never get back on the ground too quickly, luckily RYR are very good at weeding the big headed, silver spoon guys out so most of my colleagues are a joy to sit next to.
Regardless, while I understand your love for the job (I love the job as well), never forget it IS a job, and it gets harder- especially as the years wear on and you have kids and the earlies/lates/jetlag start taking their toll. If you are a qualified professional entrusted with a fair amount of responsibility, you should be paid accordingly. However you only earn what you can negotiate, and you can only negotiate what you think you're worth if you believe you're worth something in the first place!
Good luck RYR pilots, I admire your managing to remain professional in that poisonous atmosphere that squalid man creates.
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FF is most probably a management troll or one of those pathetic colleagues who still walk around pretending everything is fine ranting about the times when they were fixing cars in a garage (is it you, you cheap sod?!?!?) and how immensely fortunate they are now that they became company directors who commute on days off while dodging tax and social security all across the EU while trying to escape the tax man....
I would love to fly with you and ruin your enthusiastic mood with some reality checks FF!
I would love to fly with you and ruin your enthusiastic mood with some reality checks FF!
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Finger Flyer,
Ignoring the overall condescending tone of your post, I have a real job.
Do you?
I do not believe you have a commercial licence and definitely do not believe you have commercial ops experience.
Ignoring the overall condescending tone of your post, I have a real job.
Do you?
I do not believe you have a commercial licence and definitely do not believe you have commercial ops experience.
Last edited by Journey Man; 4th June 2013 at 16:57. Reason: edited because I don't feel I have to defend being an airline captain as a real job to some adolescent.
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I dont usually comment on these threads, it not really being any of my business, but I do feel moved to make comment on one point made by FingerFlyer
As someone who has been to the frontline in Afghanistan, all be it above it, and been shot at, the idea that you could use this as a reason to slate RY pilots as 'not working' is ridiculous.
I volunteer to do what I do. I would never expect my colleagues in the civilian world to somehow feel that they must work harder and longer, and except poor T+C's out of 'guilt'.
Irrespective of what outfit we work for, we are all aviation professionals, and good luck to RPG if it means maintaining the status and standards of that profession.
As someone who has been to the frontline in Afghanistan, all be it above it, and been shot at, the idea that you could use this as a reason to slate RY pilots as 'not working' is ridiculous.
I volunteer to do what I do. I would never expect my colleagues in the civilian world to somehow feel that they must work harder and longer, and except poor T+C's out of 'guilt'.
Irrespective of what outfit we work for, we are all aviation professionals, and good luck to RPG if it means maintaining the status and standards of that profession.
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Really?
Im all for unions and the good they do. That being said, these people bought their way onto the flight deck, and did so in the full knowledge of what awaited them at Ryanair.
Ryanair have an oppressive regime which is widely known by all in the industry but its an "easy in" for those who wouldn't hack it otherwise. Swings and roundabouts guys, you cant expect sympathy or conversely, big pats on the back regarding your union status.
Ryanair have an oppressive regime which is widely known by all in the industry but its an "easy in" for those who wouldn't hack it otherwise. Swings and roundabouts guys, you cant expect sympathy or conversely, big pats on the back regarding your union status.
