Ryanair accused of 'exploiting' staff
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No-one has to work for them
No-one has to fly with them
after all these years if you don't know what you are letting yourself in for at Ryanair you must blind, deaf, friendless and stupid
You must be crazy if you think they will change their modus operandi just for you either as crew or as a passenger
No-one has to fly with them
after all these years if you don't know what you are letting yourself in for at Ryanair you must blind, deaf, friendless and stupid
You must be crazy if you think they will change their modus operandi just for you either as crew or as a passenger
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after all these years if you don't know what you are letting yourself in for at Ryanair you must blind, deaf, friendless and stupid
Use that argument for PPI "victims", not professional flight crew.
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if you are unfortunate enough to be unemployed and you decide to go to work for Ryanair then it's a bit much to complain once you are there IMHO
You have to live with the consequences of your decision - and if it becomes too much to bear then you may have to consider another job or becoming unemployed again
You have to live with the consequences of your decision - and if it becomes too much to bear then you may have to consider another job or becoming unemployed again
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Straight. And he is unable to tell the difference between living with the consequences of one's decisions, and living with the consequences of someone else's. And while HH's HO is that we should quit, give up, bend over, suck it up, deal with it, hand it over, eat 
and die etc. Instead we will continue to pull his weight for him.....
and die etc. Instead we will continue to pull his weight for him.....
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gentlemen if you don't like the T&C at Ryanair why work for them?
I wouldn't unless there is no alternative nor would I suggest to any of my mates that they do likewise
I try and avoid flying with them if I can however cheap they are
however freedom includes the freedom to take the consequences - if you sign up to work for them you KNOW what will happen - so don't come moaning on here - get another job as they ain't going to change just for you (or I or the hundreds of others who don't like their ways)
I wouldn't unless there is no alternative nor would I suggest to any of my mates that they do likewise
I try and avoid flying with them if I can however cheap they are
however freedom includes the freedom to take the consequences - if you sign up to work for them you KNOW what will happen - so don't come moaning on here - get another job as they ain't going to change just for you (or I or the hundreds of others who don't like their ways)
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Aaah, there's a little gem buried inside all the guff:
Given the state of the employment market, that probably covers 99% of those who have joined the company in the last decade.
Everyone surely knows the nature of the beast when the sign up, but do you not think it reasonable to aspire to negotiate improved Ts&Cs once inside. If you don't think it reasonable then your Ts&Cs will probably look a lot like Ryanair's in the not to distant future.
I wouldn't unless there is no alternative
Everyone surely knows the nature of the beast when the sign up, but do you not think it reasonable to aspire to negotiate improved Ts&Cs once inside. If you don't think it reasonable then your Ts&Cs will probably look a lot like Ryanair's in the not to distant future.
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Heathrow Harry - You wonder why people work for them and suggest they get a job somewhere else.
Why work for them? Because I like eating food. I also like living between some walls and a roof. I also have a 120,000 euro of debts from flying lessons I need to clear. I'd say the average cadet leaving flying school needs around 2,500 to 3,000 euro a month AFTER TAX to maintain an adequate lifestyle (without kids to support).
So why don't I go work for someone else? How about McDonalds? Burger King perhaps? In case you hadn't noticed airline CEOs aren't exactly kicking pilots front doors down in the middle of the night, begging us to come and work for them. Trust me, most Ryanair pilots would LOVE nothing more than to go and work for BA, Virgin, Thomson, Shamrock, Monarch. Sadly those jobs are like rocking horse these days. The only options going are the desert or the far East. 18 month waits for an interview with EK aren't unheard of, then if you pass it could be another year before you get a start date. I don't know as much about QR and the unspoken one but they all have their own issues.
Why work for them? Because I like eating food. I also like living between some walls and a roof. I also have a 120,000 euro of debts from flying lessons I need to clear. I'd say the average cadet leaving flying school needs around 2,500 to 3,000 euro a month AFTER TAX to maintain an adequate lifestyle (without kids to support).
So why don't I go work for someone else? How about McDonalds? Burger King perhaps? In case you hadn't noticed airline CEOs aren't exactly kicking pilots front doors down in the middle of the night, begging us to come and work for them. Trust me, most Ryanair pilots would LOVE nothing more than to go and work for BA, Virgin, Thomson, Shamrock, Monarch. Sadly those jobs are like rocking horse
these days. The only options going are the desert or the far East. 18 month waits for an interview with EK aren't unheard of, then if you pass it could be another year before you get a start date. I don't know as much about QR and the unspoken one but they all have their own issues.
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Why work for them? Because I like eating food. I also like living between some walls and a roof. I also have a 120,000 euro of debts from flying lessons I need to clear. I'd say the average cadet leaving flying school needs around 2,500 to 3,000 euro a month AFTER TAX to maintain an adequate lifestyle (without kids to support).
Here lies the problem, they know most cadets are up to the eye balls in debt and will not only bend over, they'll also pull down their pants. The same can be said about DEC recruitment, dating all the way back to when the Serbs came over. Varig, bmi baby, globespan, malev all supplied unemployed skippers. They are the parasitic vermin of the industry, feeding off the desperate.
Here lies the problem, they know most cadets are up to the eye balls in debt and will not only bend over, they'll also pull down their pants. The same can be said about DEC recruitment, dating all the way back to when the Serbs came over. Varig, bmi baby, globespan, malev all supplied unemployed skippers. They are the parasitic vermin of the industry, feeding off the desperate.
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I also have a 120,000 euro of debts from flying lessons I need to clear.
Dozens of new cadets start at flying school each month and even a cursory glance at PPRuNe reveals the nature of what awaits them at the end of training.
Why did you still do it? Because you desperately wanted to be a pilot! So desperate that Ryanair are now exploiting you.... and so the cycle goes on.
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I agree that people may HAVE to work for Ryanair and count my blessings that (so far) it's not something I have had to consider
If I did then I'm afraid I would grin & bear it whilst looking for something better - moaning when you have no chance of changing matters is truly a waste of valuable time and energy
Given that any google search on Ryanair (never mind the pages of anti-O'Leary rants on here) brings up all the horror stories you could wish for I really can't buy the " I never knew what it was going to be like" argument
If I did then I'm afraid I would grin & bear it whilst looking for something better - moaning when you have no chance of changing matters is truly a waste of valuable time and energy
Given that any google search on Ryanair (never mind the pages of anti-O'Leary rants on here) brings up all the horror stories you could wish for I really can't buy the " I never knew what it was going to be like" argument
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HH, where Ryanair's terms and conditions go yours will surely follow. Perhaps you should be a little more supportive of those who are trying to improve things.
You criticise the pilot group for trying to take a stand and your message seems to be that they should just suck it up and accept declining conditions. I suspect if they did just that, you would criticising them for not fighting their corner. Your input to this debate is pretty pointless.
You criticise the pilot group for trying to take a stand and your message seems to be that they should just suck it up and accept declining conditions. I suspect if they did just that, you would criticising them for not fighting their corner. Your input to this debate is pretty pointless.
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‘Plane Speaking: The Wit and Wisdom of Michael O'Leary’ by Paul Kilduff.
On his popularity: "I don't give a ***** if no-one likes me. I am not a cloud bunny, I am not an aerosexual. I don't like aeroplanes. I never wanted to be a pilot like those other platoons of goons who populate the airline industry."
Good luck guys!
On his popularity: "I don't give a ***** if no-one likes me. I am not a cloud bunny, I am not an aerosexual. I don't like aeroplanes. I never wanted to be a pilot like those other platoons of goons who populate the airline industry."
Good luck guys!
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Well Cathay cabin crew as part of their action to improve conditions, removed smiles...I think Ryanair Pilots should go public with the fact that until Ryanair agree to a Union negotiated contract for all Pilots then they will remove their effort to improve upon a Boeing Landing.
